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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4967
01/07/2014 11:48 AM
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I think that's a bit of the point unfortunately. Just because the harvest wasn't going down dramatically didn't mean that the deer herd wasn't going down. But, the legislators, certain towns like Bloomington that has deer problems, auto insurance companies and some others screamed louder then hunters, who apparently had seen a little affect but were seeing enough deer to keep them happy. Actually, I would guess that there are many on here who are seeing enough deer to keep them happy and satisfied, not taking into account the size of antlers available.


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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4968
01/07/2014 11:51 AM
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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4969
01/07/2014 01:15 PM
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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4970
01/08/2014 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by jjas:
It's only in 2012 after the regs changes occurred that antlered harvest numbers dropped.
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Originally posted by jjas:
Compare the two years and you will see that 5,000 FEWER antlered bucks were killed during the first year of the new regs as compared with the season before.
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Originally posted by jjas:
I don't think the new regs in 2012 had much to do with the decline in the antlered harvest
So…which is it?

Never mind. :rolleyes:


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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4971
01/08/2014 02:10 AM
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I see I've missed nothing.................................
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Nope. Didn't miss a thing
You guys are absolutely right.

Some people never learn.(In reference to the guy looking back at me in the mirror!)

I'll stop now.


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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4972
01/08/2014 04:02 AM
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Been there done that Pav...


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Re: 2.0...Too Much, Too fast? #4973
01/08/2014 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by pav:
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Originally posted by jjas:
[b] It's only in 2012 after the regs changes occurred that antlered harvest numbers dropped.
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Originally posted by jjas:
Compare the two years and you will see that 5,000 FEWER antlered bucks were killed during the first year of the new regs as compared with the season before.
Quote
Originally posted by jjas:
I don't think the new regs in 2012 had much to do with the decline in the antlered harvest
So…which is it?

Never mind. :rolleyes: [/b]
I know where the confusion came from.....Here's my quote from a previous post.

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So in the first year of the new regs (aimed @ herd reduction) you see exactly what was designed to happen, happen.

FEWER antlered deer (by both number and percentage of total harvest) were killed and MORE antlerless deer (by both number and percentage of total harvest) were killed.
After reading it again, I agree it's confusing. What I meant to say was that the new regs did what they were designed to do, which was increase the antler less harvest. The bonus was that this happened without increasing the antlered harvest. And not only did the antlered harvest numbers not increase in the first year of new regs they actually dropped.

It obviously came out clear as mud and that's my fault and I'll own it.

But that doesn't change the fact the antlered harvest numbers dropped by 5,000 when many people assumed that with crossbow inclusion those numbers would go up.

So how can that be?

The one thing I see that would have led to the lower antlered buck harvest drop in year one of the new regs was the EHD outbreak that occured in the vast majority of counties in 2012.

Obviously you feel I'm mistaken, and I'd like to hear how you think the antlered herd numbers dropped by 5,000 deer in the first year of the new regs after those numbers had remained steady over the previous 8 seasons.


The antler less herd took the hit in 2012 (as designed) and based on that I would expect the numbers across the board for this season to drop. And I would also expect that if those numbers do drop substantially that the DNR will make changes to the bonus antlerless quota permits available.

Regardless, I look forward to seeing the data.

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