Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 08:38 AM
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lets get back to the numbers...... and the questions....will they back off on the **** antlerless tags and move counties to at least a 3 anlerless county so that **** late season gun antlerless is in effect, or will they continue on their path of decline?.....remember they(DNR) want to see drops of 10% or more, isnt that correct ?.....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by DEC: Here is what is pathetic ... the late antlerless season which was designed to target does. In 2012 19% of that harvest was bucks. In 2013 18% of the harvest was also bucks. In two years that is 2,970 bucks that were killed in this special season that was intended to target does. That says that almost 20% of the deer were killed by hunters that 1) don't care what they kill and the intent of the season or 2) cannot properly identify their target before they squeeze the trigger. That is pathetic. I found my answer!! and your right that needs fixed some how!!
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by BREW...: Originally posted by Cody.Query: [b]
I wasn't referencing you anywhere but my last sentence but I guess that went right over your head. No...I picked up your hating and dung spewing real quick!! [/b]Guess a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 08:52 AM
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Add the bucks who had dropped and the button bucks from that season for two years.
2012 249 bucks who had dropped and 1,529 button bucks. 2013 168 bucks who had dropped and 1,024 button bucks.
That is a total of 2,970 bucks lost needlessly to this special antlerless season which is intended to target does.
It is pathetic that either hunters of that season do not care what the intent of the season is or that they are that blind that they cannot take a few seconds and verify their intended target.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 08:55 AM
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good point and well supported by the data. I for one did not participate in this season the past 2 years. Originally posted by DEC: Add the bucks who had dropped and the button bucks from that season for two years.
2012 249 bucks who had dropped and 1,529 button bucks. 2013 168 bucks who had dropped and 1,024 button bucks.
That is a total of 2,970 bucks lost needlessly to this special antlerless season which is intended to target does.
It is pathetic that either hunters of that season do not care what the intent of the season is or that they are that blind that they cannot take a few seconds and verify their intended target.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 09:20 AM
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I dont plan on participating in it at all.... at least not in Porter. Co. and 'prolly never in any county.......Heck, in past years during the ML season, I passed on deer 'cause I couldnt positively ID a Button buck/shed buck from a Doe.....that happened to JB as he had wrote....I pretty much quit hunting with the ML then and went back to the bow so they'd be closer and easier to ID.....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 09:37 AM
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There is going to be the "oops" deer every once in a great while. But ... nearly 20%?!?! That right there tells you that the hunters don't care about the plan or what animal it is that they are shooting. "As long as it is legal ... SHOOT!"
Just because something is legal, does not mean it is right.
Personally, I've not killed a button or drop antler deer in probably 20+ years. I'm pretty firm on when in doubt, don't shoot. I've killed some small yearling does in recent years and in every case I was 99.9% sure that I was shooting a doe and not a button.
I refuse to participate in the states special doe slaughter season.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 09:40 AM
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If there are no antlers then its legal.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 09:42 AM
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as long as it is a "shed buck" or one tine under 3", it is OK under DNR rules....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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02/28/2014 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff Valovich: as long as it is a "shed buck" or one tine under 3", it is OK under DNR rules.... That rule goes for all seasons!! looks like as group there where around 14,000 BB killed this year across all seasons!!
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 03:20 AM
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perhaps they killed it just so someone else could have the meat. Why is giving meat to those in need a problem? Originally posted by THROBAK: .......70,000 Pounds Donated and thats all burger, around 2ooo deer killed just because someone wanted to kill something and didnt want the meat to me thats a bigger problem than killing a bb and eating it
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by THROBAK: Go volunteer at a distribution site like I did and make your own conclusion.. thats all I am saying on this It's like an unwanted deer orphanage, for the most part.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 06:11 AM
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This can be a touchy subject. I've never donated deer to this program and never will. I'm not a fan shooting deer and giving them away. And I'm certainly not a fan of shooting just for the "fun" of shooting, a deer. Now, my thought is that its great giving money to a program to feed people.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by delaney: This can be a touchy subject. I've never donated deer to this program and never will. I'm not a fan shooting deer and giving them away. And I'm certainly not a fan of shooting just for the "fun" of shooting, a deer. Now, my thought is that its great giving money to a program to feed people. Yep.... At the Expo last weekend C.J. Winand why giving a presentation he said the Greatest tool the hunter has against the Anti's is the FHFH (Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry) "What can the anti-hunters say when they see pictures of homeless and under privileged children being fed venison? We know all too well how the hunting community seems to lose the battle of "emotions" that those opposed to hunting push to the general public. The FHFH program produces a win-win situation that even those opposed to hunting have a difficult time criticizing." "Research has found that 80 percent of all non-hunters approve of hunting as long as the meat is being utilized. This is reflected whenever a deer sharp-shooting program must be initiated to help control numbers of deer in a given area. Nothing addresses public concern for animals like using the meat to feed hungry children and families. Again-emotion sells! " link... www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...r7gZ88GDtZRwKRL9aA&bvm=bv.62286460,d.aWc
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by 76chevy: perhaps they killed it just so someone else could have the meat.
Why is giving meat to those in need a problem?
Originally posted by THROBAK: [b] .......70,000 Pounds Donated and thats all burger, around 2ooo deer killed just because someone wanted to kill something and didnt want the meat to me thats a bigger problem than killing a bb and eating it [/b]Well you could take them hunting and teach them so they can feed themselves... Or at the very least is they could purchase a tag with their name and the name of the hunter shooting it for them... At least they would be contributing to the DNR.... Though donating is a noble thing but it has its own set of problems and one that Throbak pointed out... I will always believe in this old adage: "Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day... Teach him to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime!"...
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bryan78: Originally posted by 76chevy: [b] perhaps they killed it just so someone else could have the meat. Why is giving meat to those in need a problem? Originally posted by THROBAK: [b] .......70,000 Pounds Donated and thats all burger, around 2ooo deer killed just because someone wanted to kill something and didnt want the meat to me thats a bigger problem than killing a bb and eating it [/b] Well you could take them hunting and teach them so they can feed themselves... Or at the very least is they could purchase a tag with their name and the name of the hunter shooting it for them... At least they would be contributing to the DNR....
Though donating is a noble thing but it has its own set of problems and one that Throbak pointed out...
I will always believe in this old adage: "Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day... Teach him to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime!"... [/b]I have in years past donated deer to a family in need. I have not used the HFH program as I usually have it processed and given to them. I am around people all the time that for some reason life has punched them in the mouth. I will do it again if need be and not hesitate nor feel guilty from other people by my choice.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 03:56 PM
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I'll do as bean does.....give it away myself if someone needs it.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/01/2014 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by 76chevy: perhaps they killed it just so someone else could have the meat.
Why is giving meat to those in need a problem?
I agree. If the meat is being used, why does it matter? I attempt to donate at least one deer a year. If attempting to help a family stock their freezer with a little wild game makes me a bad person in the eyes of some, then so be it.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 07:13 AM
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If only we were as concerned about our upland game birds........Grouse Quail and Pheasant.
We have lost our grouse season next year and the forseeable future..... quail is next!
But few care.....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by jbwhttail: If only we were as concerned about our upland game birds........Grouse Quail and Pheasant.
We have lost our grouse season next year and the forseeable future..... quail is next!
But few care..... The problem with the upland game birds is loss of habitat, AKA as uncut fields overgrown fencerows & the this brush farmers used to have growing between fields. In other words we are being too clean & tidy with nature. Come on it is nature let nature take care of it, she can do a better job than we can.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 08:11 AM
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I will give/share meat to others as Ive already done this year, but I wont shoot an extra deer just to donate it....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by jbwhttail: If only we were as concerned about our upland game birds........Grouse Quail and Pheasant.
We have lost our grouse season next year and the forseeable future..... quail is next!
But few care..... This says it all. Sadly, there are many who will speak up for deer but there are few who will speak up for the rest of wildlife and conservation in general. And it won't end until we have further diminished water quality via loss of more and more habitat that affects not only wildlife but fisheries. as well. Its why "hunters" need to literally drop the hunter or hunters word from their organizations and start new organizations whose primarily focus is conservation and habitat whereby they can then also support hunting and fishing as recreation, a society benefit and management tool. If hunters don't change their future focus to conservation, there will eventually be little to hunt because loss of habitat will affect everything.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 08:26 AM
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The reality is that farmers are trying to get every bushel out of every acre and this means clearing brushy fence rows, tilling right to the edge of woods, putting land back in production, etc. We may not agree this choice, and it's consequences for gamebirds, For most of us though our paycheck or livelihood is not at stake here. Originally posted by PoseyCoHunter: Originally posted by jbwhttail: [b] If only we were as concerned about our upland game birds........Grouse Quail and Pheasant.
We have lost our grouse season next year and the forseeable future..... quail is next!
But few care..... The problem with the upland game birds is loss of habitat, AKA as uncut fields overgrown fencerows & the this brush farmers used to have growing between fields. In other words we are being too clean & tidy with nature. Come on it is nature let nature take care of it, she can do a better job than we can. [/b]
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 08:39 AM
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Agree 76, but the difficulty I have with some of this is the government subsidy that encourages margin land farming. Additionally, more and more of the farms are being purchased by large Wall Street trusts and the "paycheck" issue, while still relevant, isn't quite the same as that of small farmers. My brother and I are selling a farm to a large land trust that unfortunately will likely remove as much of the woods and habitat as possible. Kind of makes me part of the problem.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 09:23 AM
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Keeping up with the title of this thread....the National Lakeshore is up to 150 deer killed this winter using their sharpshooters....the harsh winter has pulled more deer into their corn piles.....they ARE the "brown and down" crowd....they will kill any deer that walks....fawn, shed bucks, antlered deer, Does... if it is a deer they will kill it....some nice bucks in the 150/160 range were killed over bait.....this come from an employee of the lake shore....
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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Originally posted by delaney: Originally posted by jbwhttail: [b] If only we were as concerned about our upland game birds........Grouse Quail and Pheasant.
We have lost our grouse season next year and the forseeable future..... quail is next!
But few care..... This says it all. Sadly, there are many who will speak up for deer but there are few who will speak up for the rest of wildlife and conservation in general. And it won't end until we have further diminished water quality via loss of more and more habitat that affects not only wildlife but fisheries. as well. Its why "hunters" need to literally drop the hunter or hunters word from their organizations and start new organizations whose primarily focus is conservation and habitat whereby they can then also support hunting and fishing as recreation, a society benefit and management tool. If hunters don't change their future focus to conservation, there will eventually be little to hunt because loss of habitat will affect everything. [/b]Pollution, pesticides, lost of habitat and the return of the raptors have pretty much sealed the fate of upland birds here in Indiana. Varmints are another big problem for any nesting birds. With ag land selling for record prices and crops at all time highs, I doubt Hoosier hunters will ever see the return of the upland birds. h.h.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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03/02/2014 01:16 PM
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From talking to our farmer in the past, he was very much under the impression that certain fed programs led to marginal land being planted. Now, he could have been wrong. On a lease in Jefferson county, a guy plants a field every year and I. 3 out of 4 years he has left it standing. It produces almost nothing. Probably 15 to 20 acres.
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Re: Deer Harvest Report Posted
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Thanks. I'll mention this to him when we see him in April or May.
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