8:30 pm is waaaay past dark...you must have night vision to count 50. nice try.......there quite a few more that believe the situation in this state(and area) when it comes to seeing declining herd numbers.. .... I just dont lie about what I see....btw, the 3 of the 4 deer you talk about didnt come off of where I regularly hunt... 2 were off of "special draw" hunts....gettin' a little upset arnt ya cboy.....