Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/11/2014 04:57 PM
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/11/2014 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by CLoveIN123: Nice!!! We do the same thing but I've never thought about Alfalfa. I'll have to look around from some and see what the cost is. As a trapper and someone looking to start a full time predator management company, I'm curious to know if you have a number of coyotes and coons show up to your feed stations? If you don't mind letting me know how many show up it would be much appreciated. We have Zero Coons show up at these winter feeders. Somewhat a surprise actually. Now we do have coyotes visit the Alfalfa piles at times and get caught on cam taking a pee on them. I have no idea why they do that....but those yotes mark those Alfalfa piles. Then you'll have deer an hour later feeding on the Alfalfa and the Yote Urine doesn't seem to bother them one bit. Try to get as close to 100% Alfalfa as you can in your bales........the "grassier" the content, the worse the deer hit it. The Alfalfa is what they want.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/12/2014 10:06 AM
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Normally I would be doing the same, but I dont have the access to the property like I used to....Like I said, I treated the land and wildlife better than the owners of the land I lease(ed)....I was super pissed when the son let other guys hunt the place I had exclusive rights to for 17 years and hunt over the food plots I have made for the last 10 of those great years....I wont do squat for the place until or if I get my exclusives lease right back on the place....in the mean time the deer will not live the Life of Riley.... all they have is the frozen clover and the Rape/turnip plots.....
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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Dispute at the feed pile !!!!!!!
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/12/2014 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Surveyor4: WOW....Great picture! Up here its rare to see a fox let alone two fighting! h.h.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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That was over a bag of sweet feed I dumped out. Had several pictures of deer noseing it, but they flat would not eat it. Birds loved it and it aparently attracted mice because a fox dug in it regularly. That particular night 2 met up and disputed who's pile it was to hunt over!
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/13/2014 01:30 PM
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I think corn is mostly carbs and probably does help but its probably not the best for nutrition. Since the deer do tend to "move around instead of stand and eat for long periods", browse is critical. I imagine good browse is more beneficial then straight up carbs. Depending on habitat, feeding probably contributes more or less.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/13/2014 02:58 PM
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good article. "Artificially fed deer wander off with a belly full of corn and slowly start starving to death as its digestive system struggles to digest the corn. Should the deer live through his sudden overload, it is then unable to handle woody browse. When the corn pile goes away the deer goes back on woody browse again and the slow starvation continues...."
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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what is your ratio of hay to corn? I think the article might be talking only about straight corn and large quantities of it... Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: We've been doing this for over 10 years.....haven't starved a deer yet....and have seen some of our bucks make anywhere from 20-40 inches of antler growth jumps in one year. Due to our winter feed and 22% protein blend we feed in the summer???
Dunno....
But our deer aren't complaining....they aren't dying off due to our feed program.....and we gain good healthy deer.
......and it's been a great way to keep track of our bucks for 70% of the year via our cams set up on that food.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/14/2014 04:32 AM
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Eating corn kills deer=WOW, we need to inform the DNR of this, so they can inform any farmer seeking depredation permits that they are unnecessary because as soon as that deer gets a full belly of that corn they will die anyway!! Seriously though, I only supplement feed deer if there is a thick covering of snow. Any other time I'm confident there is enough food on our farm to feed the "herd" of 2 does that made it through the seasons and hang out on our place.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/14/2014 06:41 AM
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Mature field corn runs about 10% in crude protein. It does have a higher "escape protein" content than other grains or feeds, which means slightly less of the protein content is digestible, as compared to other feeds. But in winter, ruminants like deer don't need high levels of protein in their food, instead they need energy foods with carbs. Here in Indiana farm country, our deer eat corn all summer and fall, so any digestive issues like acidosis will be extremely rare.
Still when feeding corn in the winter we prefer to mix the corn with roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of commercial pelleted feed, like sweet horse feed. Keep in mind you'll also be feeding a never-ending parade of crows, coons, squirrels, turkeys, jays, songbirds, and etc. With a typical high population of turkeys and crows in the area, we figure the deer get no more than about half the grain. It gets expensive if you stick with it for the whole winter.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/14/2014 07:50 AM
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We used to feed in the Winter, but after reading several articles like this, we decided it potentially could do more harm than good.....
The best way to help wild animals survive a severe winter is to maintain high-quality habitat plantings year-round. If animals go into the winter in good condition, most are able to survive persistent deep snow, ice and cold temperatures. Even in well-functioning natural ecosystems, however, some animals succumb during winter months. The winter season has always kept wildlife populations in balance with available habitat. Another way to help wild animals in winter is to avoid disturbing them. Animals must conserve their energy to survive winter conditions, and human disturbance causes them to move about. Keep dogs confined, and slow down when traveling in motor vehicles through deer habitat. There are several drawbacks to feeding deer. First, there is the expense of providing proper feed, in sufficient amounts, and for the length of time necessary to be effective. Concentrating deer at a feeder can create problems by making the animals more vulnerable to disease, predation and poaching. If feeding areas draw animals across well-traveled roads, they are more likely to present a safety hazard and be hit by cars. Deer drawn to artificial feed also can damage nearby agricultural areas, trees, or landscaping, especially if the artificial feed supply is not maintained through the winter. A deer's digestive system often is not readily able to process many common types of feed. Deer have the most difficult time adjusting to artificial feed. It can take several weeks for them to adjust to the change from natural browse plants to an artificial diet. If they don't have enough fat reserves to carry them through the adjustment period, they can die of starvation even with a belly full of feed they cannot digest. Once a diet shift has occurred, one white-tailed deer can consume three to four pounds of pelleted feed daily; in just four months, one deer could consume almost 500 pounds of feed.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/14/2014 08:14 AM
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indiana deer eat corn year around, regardless of whether or not you put out a pile
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/23/2014 02:05 PM
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Feed deer corn and they depend on it to fill their belly ........ THEY WILL DIE! Deer depend on protein at about 18%, if you only feed corn..... depleted health for deer.
If you are only going to pour corn on the ground it would be better to save your money and pour nothing on the ground.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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01/23/2014 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by jbwhttail: Feed deer corn and they depend on it to fill their belly ........ THEY WILL DIE! Deer depend on protein at about 18%, if you only feed corn..... depleted health for deer.
If you are only going to pour corn on the ground it would be better to save your money and pour nothing on the ground. That is correct..........which is why we combine the corn we leave out with Alfalfa Hay. Protein in the Alfalfa will usually run about 17%-20%. We have seen nothing but increased use of this blend........and nothing but LIVE healthy deer thrive on this supplement in the winter for years. The one buck I took a few years ago was 6.5 years old.....and he hit those supplemental feed sites from a 1.5 year old and up as we watched him on our cams.........ended up putting on a 16 point 180+ inch rack the year I took him. I encourage all doing supplemental feeding to mix in the Alfalfa for the protein content. Corn is just carbs....... Keep in mind you might pull in a few Turkey's too.....  ......click on video ![[Linked Image]](http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc204/Scarletdew/th_MDGC0463_zpsdcf17472.jpg)
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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02/01/2014 08:38 AM
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This winter is a tough one...super cold and snow... I have been wondering what effect it will have on winter kill....Ive been out hunting 'yotes a few times and the lack of deer sign is disturbing, esp in places there usually is some in quantity....
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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02/01/2014 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Steiny:
If you really want to feed, hard to beat food plots. Agreed......but my multiple acres of beans and purple top turnips were stripped to nothing by the end of December.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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02/02/2014 06:46 AM
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Same results here. We had 8 acres of standing soybeans in 4 different plots, all stripped clean by the middle of December.
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Re: Time to give back.....get those feeders out....
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02/03/2014 08:10 PM
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While goose hunting last week I saw a lot of evidence of deer digging down through the snow to pull out ears of corn. They had eaten all the kernels off of the cobs.I guess someone needs to tell them that is not good for them. LOL
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