yea, I was there fighting against the dam things at the beginning, I attended the meetings and wrote many a letter to the DNR.. my disposition against them will never change ... I'd go back to firearms before using one of those 'things' .. hell, now they are allowing those spear gun things, but at least they are in a season where shoulder fired weapons belong .. btw, they (the crossthingys) SHOULD be in the shoulder fired/firearm season IMO ... carry on .......