Who knows...but I bet it would be many...

As for the whole refund thing and what not....I would think the DNR could first and foremost warn hunters that late season bonus season tags are to be treated as a separate license and not for sale until after the normal firearms season is complete....this would typically be after EHD affects have occurred and if needed the DNR could get rid of them.

However this would not have any impact on the counties which don't qualify for the late season bonus season though...

Edit ...

Thanks s-wilk now we getting somewhere.

Reports just in from two deer farmers, they are having deer tested. Results may take awhile. They have stated they will share results as well. So at least in Madison and Hamilton County we will have some idea if the wild herd is at risk as well, also at risk from what. So believe hunters in that area should be checking their properties for any signs of out break. No response from BOAH at this time.

So when or who is doing the testing to confirm that the problem is EHD???

Testing has to be done to confirm cases of EHD!!!

BOAH is probably waiting for the test results to come from the affected deer farmers. It is my understanding that the deer/or parts can only be tested within 24 hours of death for EHD.

The probability of an EHD positive is good each year now that there are numerous strains, be it a captive herd or wild herd.

I,m not concerned so much with a captive herd as it has a "limited" water source. With all of rain we have had the wild deer have many options for water. In most cases when EHD occurs it IS NOT county or region wide, the midge does not travel large distances.

What I think we can agree upon is that we need to urge IDNR is to have a "preliminary antlerless quota", then have an option to revise that quota by October 15. Remember, most antlerless quota permits are used during firearm season. Very few deer would be used by October 15 in my opinion.

Good idea Joe. Anything to encourage moderation for everyone.

Per conversations today, one deer died last night and they taking to get tested today? That is the report.

Just spoke with the folks in Bloomington. Here is a conversational summary:

- No reports of EHD yet.
- In a wet year like this with a lot of drying mud around, it is quite possible for EHD to be present but with the wet conditions, deer are less dependent upon limited water sources which then decreases risk of a widespread outbreak of the disease.
- Even in years of significant EHD, it is often very localized. For instance, numerous deer might die in a location yet two miles away there might be no affect at all. (This would make managing by county, even in high outbreaks maybe difficult)
- EHD tends to run in cycles with no or very limited outbreaks for a few years and then outbreaks for a couple of years. This is due to the build up of immunity by the deer.
- According the the DNR in Bloomington, there were no reports of EHD last year.

It was a good conversation and she said that she wouldn't be shocked if there eventually is a reported case of EHD but doesn't believe it will have a high impact because of the abundant water supply this year.

Thanks Dave for the creditable update/info on EHD in Indiana.

Our's is as well Brew, just attempting to help spread the word.

Pretty sick of being called a liar by a internet heckler.

Well, as luck, or bad luck, would have it, I just got a call from the Bloomington office st 4:15 and after my earlier conversation with her she got a call from a CO in Parke Co and he reported a sick deer that will be tested for EHD. She said that from appearances, it does though appear to have EHD.

So there's still no Confirmed EHD cases in Indiana yet!!!!

Well here you go BREW working late on it.

https://www.facebook.com/Indianadeerherdmanagement/posts/1042455505766131:0

Confirmed two dead Parke Co. Symptoms highly likely EHD SENT FOR TESTING BY DNR, Conservation officer Slaven Parke Co. Confirmed this moments ago.

On this one Brew wish you were correct for once. Parke Co my home, but unfortunately your record continues; wrong , almost perfect I might add. So now lets see what we can do about it. Educate hunters outbreak locals as they come in. Hopefully hunters that care will back off doe harvest in these areas.

So Gary are you now saying these cases are "confirmed" EHD even though the testing results are not know???

BTW..... Did you not read what Delaney posted in this thread Gary?

I am saying a coservation officer with experience has confirmed based on visual observation of carcassses, location in proximity to water, and multiple carcasses A lab test will further confirm.

Brew I am a Reg Nurse with Critical Care and ER EXPERIENCE. I can assure you we dont go to school and learn from years experience to just read a test report, you could do that, rather clinical assessment, judgement, and listening to the patient usually tells us what we need to know. I dont need to read a test to recognize Chf MI STROKE. DONT TAKE AN MRI TO RECOGNIZE YOU MAY BE Having problems with the FRontalLOBES OF YOUR BRAIN, Your brainstem is working because you are obviously breathing with a heartbeat, and your parietal lobe is working because you can feel the keys, the posterior portion of your frontal lobes be is working due to rhe fact you have yhe motor skills to operate the keyboard.

However the anterior pirtion of your frontal lobes may need further testing and evaluation because you are clinically presenting with personality abnormalities and difficulty with reasoning and thinking. I would further suggest that the screen name you hide behind and your references if drinking on this forum there is a chance your liver is cirrhosed or failing as that will cause ammonia levels to rise and cause these sx. Now if I had a pic of you I could determine this by a bug belly called ascites and the yellowing in your skin and the whites of your eyes. However I would need further tests to confirm, but clinically think we narrowed it down. Now if you are older and it hurts when u pee and you are hallucinating you may have a urinary ttact infection. Better go see your doctor. Lmao. Just messing with you. But seriously you can read ghe next post to get back on topic, even in your condition.

Now with approaching 12,000 members / followers in all 92 indiana counties this is what the IWDHM Group is planning to do to help our herd from EHD.

https://www.facebook.com/Indianadeerherdmanagement/posts/1042496365762045

CLICK ON THE LINK TO SEE HOW YOU TO CAN HAVE AN IMPACT AGAINST EHD. WE ARE NOT DEFENSLESS! By remaining concerned about the resource as our utmost importance, and remaining out of divisive issues that are stastically insignificant we can increase our numbers even more to monitor and impact the herd positively for future generations as well as our own. This is bigger than the couple hundred record book deer a year, what weapon you use, or if some guy owns domestic deer that are livestock not wildlife. Those things DONT MATTER STATSTICALLY. EHD, Excessive doe harvest, poor fawn recruitment, habitat. These are the issues and we are doing something about them with or without you. All almost 12,000 of us that care about the resource and it being here for future generations.

EHD is God's reset button...nothing can be done accept respond to it appropriately...I hope these suspected instances end up being something other than EHD....anyone know how long before testing is done?

If you are not familiar with EHD, check out this quick fact sheet.

http://www.growingdeer.tv/view/wp-c...ootic-Hemorrhagic-Disease-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does. -William James-

Very familiar Brew, lost 29 deer we found in 2012 within a square mile in Parke County. One large skull and antlers hang above the gated entrance to my farm. That is the ones we FOUND, so sure many more. Almost all were found by water, and presented with clinical signs that point to a diagnosis of EHD, as did the Deer in Parke County did yesterday.

Testing just confirms the clinical diagnosis. So relatively certain the three counties we have reports from, were reported by individuals that have years of experience with EHD, and its clinical presentation.

However, the Madison County case is out for testing now; as well as the Parke County case. As a clinician this is good enough confirmation for me. But either way this does not mean we do not start spreading the word to get a handle on its impact, and how to respond starting 15Sept/1Oct/14Nov/26Dec. Only with knowledge does management work. We are not defenseless against the long term effects of EHD. Thanks Brew for posting the fact sheet. The more we educate ourselves, the better advocates for deer we become. As Ty points out, there is nothing we can do to stop EHD, but our response to our piece of the picture, as the management tools we are as hunters, and educating as many hunters as possible to the effects of our response will indeed make a difference in the future.

Not everything can be legislated or ordered, education, experience, and wisdom have to come into play at some point.

Did you see an earlier post on this forum, where some hunters were killing all deer, in a EHD area, because they were uneducated on the disease. This disease as your fact sheet reports is from a biting midge, not direct contact. Also the deer that survive, have built antibodies that will impede outbreaks in the future. Only through education can we make a difference. So Brew posting that Fact Sheet was a very good start. Thanks Buddy.

Gary if you could respond to my PM that would be great

https://www.facebook.com/Indianadeerherdmanagement/posts/1057122147632800:0

Ehd positive in Hamilton Co. DNR test on Parke Co deer in question.

Is that a WILD or captive deer that tested positive ???

The DNR is reporting no positive tests on wild deer.

They heve only done viral isolation test wich is an inconclusive test.

And only one deer.

Deer that was bit by a midge Brew

So in other words it was a captive/tame Deer that tested positive for EHD!... SMH

Keep being sheep.

Nobody is finding carcasses dude. I found a bunch during the bad year. You found a bunch in your hunting area one year. I don't think this is a year we need to worry about.

4 or 5 yr ago I saw 31 dead on the square I live on Dead ,Today you could never tell it so good thing is they bounce back really well

Gary - did the DNR answer your question on what type of test they did? I assume so based on your answer but didn't find the actual response on their FB page when you asked for clarification.

Kind of by email,
"We (DNR) are listing the Parke CO death as suspect EHD with virus isolation indicating no EHD/BT virus present. We are working with the lab to determine other testing options. . . ."

Part of my reply, "Also from your email you state you are working with the lab, but do not really answer what other testing options you are pursuing, or if they are being pursued at all? Can you please advise what actual follow up testing is being done, and when those test results may be available? "

See what answer I get.

So in others words you are assuming what type of test has been done .....No actual facts! Per someone's email.... Interesting !!!

Was this suspect EHD case on a wild or farm raised deer?

If the DNR tested its a wild deer.

Nobody in the circles I personally talk to have found any which is a good thing. I have little doubt there are cases out there but they do not appear to be widespread this year.

My earlier post quoting the email, the someone, was the Wildlife Science Supervisor at the DNR. Just in this morning you will find her report of the positive EHD cases so far that the DNR is recognizing and find that the others being tested are correlating with the reports we have been posting for the last month. First his her email today, then you will find my reply at the bottom.


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"On Fri, 9/18/15, Slack, Dawn wrote:

Subject: RE: FW: EHD results
To: "Gary Walters"
Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 9:47 AM

Good Morning Gary,

.....

Thank you for letting us know about the dead deer on your
property. If you find another one please let me know. I
would like to sample it if we can get to it within 24 hours
of it dying.

We received a positive test result (EHDV-2) from a
Tippecanoe sample, and BOAH let us know yesterday that they
have positive samples from cervid farms in Boone, Madison
and Hamilton counties (strain is unknown from the captive
samples). We are waiting for test results that we have
submitted from other counties. We have been receiving calls
from several counties, mostly in the central portion of the
state, and are sampling as often as we can. We are
definitely tracking suspect deer and do take disease
prevalence into account for herd management.

Please continue to notify us as you have been. Please call
the local CO or the local District Biologist or the
Bloomington Field Office (812-334-1137) with reports of sick
deer. I am sorry others have had difficulties reaching us. I
assure you we respond to calls we receive.

Thank you again for your concern for Indiana's deer herd, as
well as, your efforts tracking dead/sick deer this fall. We
understand those concerns and absolutely want a healthy herd
as well. Please keep in touch and let me know what you are
finding.
R.

Dawn


Dawn R. Slack
Wildlife Science Supervisor
Indiana Department of Natural Resources
Bloomington Field Office
DSlack@dnr.IN.gov
Office: (812) 334 -1137"

Dawn,

Thanks so much for the information. While depressing news, it is good to be able to bring awareness to hunters. Hopefully this awareness of the conditions in their areas, their own observations on the ground can inspire harvest strategies that correlate with what is going on in real time for the good of the resource.

I am cc'ing the others, to illustrate how social media can in fact be a tool in deer management and organizing hunters and all deer enthusiasts. The findings are consistent with what IWDHM Group has been reporting for over one month. Again, in all fairness, we wish we were wrong, such a waste of the resource is tragic. Hopefully with awareness, harvests will be less in these areas to not put undo stress on a already stressed herd. The fact of the matter is, no group should be left out of conversation and data collecting for the good of the resource, especially a group that has brought together so many deer enthusiasts in the state, from hunters, to hikers, to kayakers. All have reported these deer to us.

Wish you well in your continued efforts to manage our resource.


Gary A. Walters, RN
Board of Directors, IWDHM Group.
Storybook Valley Farm and Loneridge Kennels

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