I planted oats and rye this year and it came up everywhere I spread it. One plot in the middle of the woods did amazing. Also had the extra seed I mixed filled up the hopper on the spreader so I walked it down the trail through the woods and it came up and i didn't till or brake ground there at all just laid on top. I did not fertilize but I had buckwheat planted in them all summer. all the plots are ate down to the ground now thinking about frost seeding some annual clover for cover and summer food. I bought plot spike forage oats at tsc and winter rye from coxs plant farm. I have been looking at products from fridgid forage they make a blend that is supposed to grow in shady wooded areas. I will say I have never seen a deer in any of the plots but trail cams and forage cages say different