well this is how it went I was sitting in my tree stand for 3 or four hours and it came up right under me i had to hold really still like barely breathing. the thing dident even know i was there It was eating brars right at the edge of the thicket i had to slowly stand up and pull back at the same time as i did that it stopped walking ate for a minute it was at 20 yards put my sights right behind the shoulder and released. I watched my lumenok all the way right through the heart and it ran like 30 yards and fell over.