I didn't mean to start a big argument I just wanted to bring some attention to the guys that say they will survive no problem once season starts. I don't think that is always the case. The odd part about these pics is they are becoming more regular on my cams and I'm not sure why. These two properties are two hours apart. I would rate both properties as being low on deer density with one really low and I tend to see more bucks than does on both properties. Most of the time I thought the excuse for why they were born late were too many does in the area or messed up ratios. Seems kind of odd.