I know this guys. IF you guys, Joe and Gary, can find a way to work together and find a way to move the back and forth to a totally productive level, sportsmen will win. It seems very clear that both of you can bring a lot of knowledge and energy and DNR history to the table, more than most who post on here can do, certainly including me. I'm not suggesting that everyone agree on everything, that someone always has to be right vs. wrong, but instead I'm suggesting that you guys move to a different level, forgetting even the organizations themselves, and put your minds together. At the end of that day, I can guarantee that the resource would likely be the big winner, and possibly even the DNR.

Forget these issues are they are divisive and will limit, if not eliminate, any possibility of progress.

- The canned hunting and deer farming issue.
- Any season changes or weapons issues.
- Any total overhaul of current deer regulations.

Instead find a way to get a foot in the door on behalf of the DNR and it's financial and staffing issues. Try to get some logic and further explanation into the deer determination numbers and how they then relate to bonus permits and depredation tags. Heck, look at how the depredation tags are issued, which hasn't changed for a long time, and see if there is an opportunity to have that reassessed. The back and forth over technical details while good and informing at times diminishes the real global issues. And again, leave the two organizations out of it but instead simply open a dialogue and even see if you can engage Gene and a few others. Every day that energy is spent on the squabbling is a day that the resource loses. And honestly, that goes for all of us, including me, that spends too little time on engaging and way to much time typing.