So the attack continues. Really LOL. I posted legitimate questions to this forum and not a response, except one person, although all those that been spreading hate have been posting. GUESS I FIGURED OUT HOW TO SHUT UP AT LEAST SOME ANTAGONISTIC HECKLING. So I have to believe they just don't want discussion, only their views and need to argue and promote infighting. Continue with fighting and made up crisis. The very thing they accuse us of. They only can exist with constant infighting, and disharmony. Discussion of the issues must be beyond the scope of this forum, or more accurately the few that seem to keep spouting hate, and taking over the forum as some attempted to do on our Facebook page and we do not allow per our policy. Like most examples of hate; they are out of fear they may be losing something, or are just uneducated and fall back to fear as their only reserve. Glass half empty instead of half full. Instead of looking at another group as an asset, they feel threatened in losing their "Power" or what they have; whatever that really is anyway.

I explained the picture on our Facebook page. Though of the 3840 people that viewed the post, less than ten seem to have a problem with it. I would venture to say, just my opinion, that the biggest part of those same <10 are the ones that have a problem with us, either personally or as a group. You are correct, we shouldn't have to clarify every single little detail, to these handful of people that get wrapped up in details. However, in the attempt to be transparent as possible, we do clarify for those handful of people, same ones over and over and over, does get frustrating, and tiring. So if we clarify details for these few, they state we shouldn't have too. If we don't, they state we are not including them in discussion, or hiding something, or lying. You can follow this very thread and see where some are asking for more details, and other saying we shouldn't have to justify, sometimes one in the same person, lol. See the impossibility in pleasing this one heckler, let alone the other 5-9. It is impossible to win this antagonistic back and forth game. Over time it is proven, the issues don't matter, the fighting does. I believe, by not responding to the issues, a rational individual can see what these divisive individuals are really about. THIS IS WHAT HAS TAKEN AWAY THE HUNTER'S VOICE IN ALL ISSUES THAT MATTER, PERIOD. THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN THE DOWNFALL AND RUIN OF WHAT ONCE WERE GREAT GROUPS OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEIR LEADERSHIP CANNOT GIVE UP THEIR PERSONAL AGENDAS FOR WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE AND THE RESOURCES.

It does seem that these same ones could care about nothing more than to promote infighting, all at the expense of the resource they state to care so much about. That is why we don't allow this disharmony on our FACEBOOK page, counter productive to any reasonable progress, and quit frankly has become tiring to attempt to communicate and bring hunters together on this site, because these handful cannot get over themselves long enough to see the forest for the trees, or the bigger picture. That is sad, especially when it comes from their so called leader.

Even most elementary students, know when they read a book, or watch the news, that the pictures are used as an illustration. This is not misleading in the least. Books, magazines, and all forms of media, would get pretty boring sometimes with out illustration. Pictures that are on Facebook, per their policy, can be shared, and the poster gives up ownership in that regards. This picture went viral, and was common property on Facebook. Using it to illustrate a point was not misleading. The text of the post, I challenge anyone to dispute those facts. Joe, as your leader, seems to simply state that he wants to EXPOSE us, and believes the dep tag issue is just a drop in the bucket. By his own post, he is showing he prefers to promote discourse, disharmony, and promote infighting, even over the issue. It doesn't appear to me by his post the issue has any need for concern. Even though, on this forum he has stated if we become organized he would support us or any organization. "The IDHA will support ANY group that has filed as a group with the State of Indiana or the Federal Government and meets tax recording requirements...... At this time the IDWHM does not meet the standard required for membership in the FWCC." We have, and have MEMBERS exponentially more so than the IDHA already. Though Joe's statement of criteria was completely false, and I can post the exact criteria if anyone would like to see that. We have received advise from the Secretary of State and the IRS, and have acted accordingly. He then subsequently posted,"1. you will get no further resistance from the IDHA." Yet here he is going to EXPOSE our crap???? Seems to be opposite ends of the rainbow to me?

To ILLUSTRATE for those that are having a problem. Do you believe with every hunting article you read, that the pictures that accompany those articles, where taken on the exact farm or woods mentioned in the article, or the hunter in the tree stand is the exact author in his personal hunting location actually hunting. Do you believe all those big bucks with the person in the back ground tree stand at full draw are really in real world situations, or rather TAME deer in fenced areas??? Do you really believe, that when the DNR posts about nuisance deer in it's Facebook post, that the deer eating in the bird feeder is the exact nuisance deer mentioned in the article, or a stock photo in their archives taken by a photographer probably at a state park,?, to illustrate their point on the supposedly thousands of nuisance deer. To be credible should they have an exact picture of each culprit deer they are talking about. Or when they post a picture of an eagle with a post about eagles, that it is the exact eagle and only that one they are talking about. When Channel 13 does a story about deer, and they use stock video of practically tame deer at Eagle Creek park, when doing a story on high deer kill along the highways are they misleading? Shouldn't they be showing a actual deer getting smashed by a semi and exploding in a million pieces. Heck no. They fill up the screen with a deer illustration to grab attention and go along with their story, though the body of the story is accurate, and is researched beyond reproach. Is this something that is taken for granted by the bulk of rational American individuals today; would say just common sense? Yes, and we shouldn't have to explain; however, again for the few we do.

Here is our post today, just for anyone that has any question to the validity of our statements yesterday:


For those that had questions on the depredation tag numbers from the post yesterday please refer to the link below and then look under Deer Pages 30-32. Per the 2014 Wildlife Science Report there were 479 complaints, and permits were issued for up to 6566 deer to be taken. Of these, 2419 deer were REPORTED as being taken under the depredation permit system, of which 77 % were female, mostly of which during this time frame would have had fawns that were un-weaned. So if we just say each had one fawn, when in reality, the norm would have been twins, this took out at least 1862-3725 fawns, of which likely inhumanely starved to death. This writer was told directly first hand from a DNR Deer biologist that that is "the plan, to get 2-3 deer for the price of one, more bang for your buck."

Anytime any follower, or visitor to our page questions our sources or validity of statements, feel free to let us know. We will be happy to supply sources, other than in privacy cases, to substantiate our reports or "claims". In fact we encourage all followers to educate their selves first hand, with education we all become better conservationists.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-2014WildlifeScienceReport.pdf


But again, as most rational people can see, the haters, search and search, and twist and twist to attempt to discredit us. For what, we not getting one dime out of this. Actually costing us thousands out of our own pocket. We are not getting a free farm to hunt on for nothing at the expense of our members. Not one red cent. What we do get, is constant unrelenting grief and hate from these few that seem to do nothing but promote infighting. So why do we do it? Because go to my personal Facebook page. See my young grandkids, that I love with all my heart, and I fear they will not be able to enjoy the outdoors and wild places and things like I have if we don't stand up, and at least attempt to make a difference.

Historically, this constant infighting has not accomplished on single thing, ever. Never did one thing for the resource, habitat, or environment we all share and live in.
Actually has had quit the opposite affect, causing hunting groups to lose all credibility in this state. So lets just say we are total liars, we have some hidden agenda, out to get the world. What is all this antagonism going to prove or solve. Is it going to save one single resource for the future?

So I don't want to EXPOSE anyone or hurt any group, or even the appearance of any group, that is. As long as they are for the resource, however, if their only intent is to promote infighting and accusations, they should clean up their own hypocritical plate first. I would suggest Joe, you explain, how you resigned your group from the FWCC per two sources, and did not repetition as per their guidelines. Also in your hypocrisy of us, claiming we are not organized enough for you to ALLOW us just to sit at a table and talk about our concerns for the future of the resource, yet the Secretary of State of Indiana reports Administrative Dissolution of the IDHA 01/14/1998 in their current information: https://secure.in.gov/sos/online_corps/view_details_ppv.aspx So Joe clean up your own plate first before you come after us to expose us. However, nothing to expose, not one cent passed through our hands except our own. We have no hidden agenda, and you can see in this thread, the most detail we can give all from this site our agenda, and what we DO NOT promote.

I would suggest you spend this energy EXPOSING what has happened to our hunting dollars and programs due to the shell game politicians are playing with OUR money.

So this most current attack on our credibility is some misguided attempt to piece apart every single thing we do and say, and even they if nothing can be found, attempt to twist the use of an illustration that is universally accepted into something it just frankly is not, and rational individuals see that.