AKRON, Ohio – Mike Tonkovich was a marked man at the first statewide Ohio Deer Summit on Saturday morning at the Ohio Division of Wildlife district office.

"If I'm hated equally by both hunters and farmers, then I must be doing my job," said Tonkovich, in charge of managing Ohio's white-tailed deer. The Buckeye State deer herd is shrinking by design, and Tonkovich's job was to explain to a full house of 90 sportsmen why that is a good thing....


http://t.co/gAhO2mGNwL

Sounds familiar.....

Now that the Amish have brought CWD into the state it is going to shrink more. I sure they are going to shoot out the deer near the hunting preserve.

Ive always said that the Deer biologist/DNR knows they are on their perceived right track when hunters are getting pissed at a dwindling deer herd....

I'm confused here... Some want us to adopt Ohio's rules because their DNR "knows how to manage their herds" but yet they are in the same boat we are in and we manage ours differently.... So changing our rules to emulate theirs will not change a thing here and the end result would have still been the same, LESS DEER!!!!

Yup folks, the hunters in Ohio complain about their DNR just as much as we complain about ours... And this piece just proved me right all along...

I've been waiting for this kinda comment for weeks. Brew finally found the "pot stir link"...and sure enough on cue posted what he's good at........and then Bryan78 just flat out "steps in it"...... the same few just keep this place a circus.

So answer me this Bryan78........ if it really is just all about "Less Deer", and the argument "is the same".......

........why is Indiana's annual "Non-Quality" Deer hunting industry piddle squat $'s to Ohio's annual 3 BILLION DOLLAR "High Quality" deer hunting industry.

And where do you think Indiana is headed next for revenue when they run out of Quantity as their "cash cow".....

A different place than Ohio Regs that are currently STILL creating a 3 Billion Dollar Industry with less deer?????...... LOL!!

"Same Argument"??????? "Proves you Right"?????

LMAO!!!!

:rolleyes:

Thought thad' leave you speechless...... but not for long I'm sure..... LOL!!

Shuddup and get yer ice fishing groove on....

Same old, same old....

Interesting data

http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/Comb-Huntg-TS-EconImp-brochure.pdf

http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/HuntingInAmerica_EconomicForceForConservation.pdf

I understand that big bucks attracts big money, but I do wonder what portion of total economic impact in Ohio can be attributed to high fence preserve hunts, and allowing the sale of deer, venison, urine and semen?

It makes a person wonder....Are we really concerned about CWD and trying to do away with this industry in Indiana or are we only kidding ourselves and will likely find the allure of making big bucks for killing big bucks etc, too much to resist?

I have a feeling that our quest for big bucks (both cash and deer) will "win out" in the end.

No one cant argue that deer hunting isnt a business...and not just the high fence crap....just look at where the money comes or goes to .... outfitters, retailers, gun and ammo manufacturers, bow/archery companies, clothing companies, boot companies, etc.... it is a multi multi million dollar business....

I don't ice fish... :p

Here's what I wonder Iknow there are over 500 deer farms in Ohio much has that effected the wild Gene pool in Ohio have any DNA been sampled you go to artistic taxidermy 3\4 of the deer there are farm deer That's why all the bog deer in Ohio they all have farm deer genetics

How much of that $3B is bait sales??

Outdoor Life reported IN has the highest percentage of B/C bucks as a percentage of total harvest.

Ohio had 20 more entries over the period they looked at, but a much larger total harvest as well. As a percentage of total buck harvest, OH was not even in the top 5.

States With Top B&C Entries As a % of Total Buck Harvest (2009-2011)

1. Indiana – .084%

2. Kentucky – .082%

3. Kansas – .078%

4. Iowa – .078%

5. Illinois – .065%

States With Top Total Number of B&C Entries (2009-2011)

1. Wisconsin – 241

2. Ohio – 151

3. Illinois – 136

4. Kentucky – 134

5. Indiana – 131

From review of the one link, it appears that Ohio has almost twice as many hunters as Indiana. When assessing the financial aspects of relativity between the retails sales and the number of hunters, it would appear that the real issue is the number of resident hunters and probably has little to do with the management plan for deer. Then, it would be necessary to assess deer habitat for both states and the numerous other financial factors of businesses. It would be pretty hard to argue the management aspect in my opinion.

I didn't realize that the amount of bait sales can influence/increase the amount of Quality Bucks in a state. Makes about as much sense as Throbaks idea that the pen deer genetics INSIDE a deer fence somehow contribute to the antlersize OUTSIDE of the deer fence. LOL!!!!

Now..... imagine if we combine those 2 "solid" theories...... We apparently should pile bait 10 feet deep each year inside those pens and ANY state could grow then magically Booners for miles upon miles...... Outside of the pen.

My God..... I think we've got the "secret recipe".

Just Brilliant.......

Try quoting data that isn't 3-5 years old and you just might smell a bit more credible. But I'm sure just selling more bait could skew those stats right??? LOL!!!!!!

If the farm deer stayed in the pens there probably wouldn't be the worry about CWD would there They get loose looks to me like Indiana's doing better than Ohio

I work in Ohio and I hear these guys bitch every year how they wish ohio had season dates just like Indiana, 4 Guys that I work with leased Indiana property this past year and never even bought an Ohio License!

Im not kidding there are more buckeyes in Switzerland co. Than Hoosiers LOL

Exactly my point, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Deer hunters have to be the biggest group of whiners and complainers.

I run into guys from IL hunting IN public land, they can't get permission to hunt private land in IL and public is over crowded.

Do we really want OH regulations, baiting and all??

Answer to your question Chevy, no.

And why is that?

Well one, some think their method or style of hunting is the best way and that everyone should be forced to do it that way....

Two, Some think it is ok for them to shoot multiple deer and then go on forums like this and complain that they don't see any deer the next year and tell everyone they should refrain from shooting deer like it suppose to make some sort of impact on their local deer population...

Three, Some out there piss and moan on how the DNR does its job and think they can do it better but for some reason don't have the gumption to get a biology degree and and work there way up to the top and run it themselves... Why no one does this is because it is a thankless job with crappy pay having to deal with the whiners and complainers and people who just plain don't get it... Also work your way to the top just to find out that you don't really have that much power to do anything...

I don't agree with everything the DNR does, however, I also know that they see things with a different perspective than the average hunter does..

Oh heck no... The same people will still piss and moan all the same...

This...^^^^^

Do I want Ohio Rules ÑO

Bryan you nailed it, one of the best posts I have read in a while.

Hunters say that now there’s not enough deer in Ohio
http://t.co/poCnlBK9YW

Sounds even more familiar.....

What's a deer biologist to do...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

450,000 deer hunters in OHIO Duh and now you should no longer wonder why short seasons