Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/18/2014 09:47 AM
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Jeff Valovich
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Why dosnt the DNR do what the parks do....have a hunt every other year....then the herd will have a slight chance to rebuild its self..... (sarcasm intended)......
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 04:14 AM
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Someone needs to explain to me...how the state park deer harvest, compiled within sanctuaries that only get hunted four days per year, relates to what is happening outside of the parks.
My initial thought would be...the higher the hunting pressure outside the parks...the more likely for deer to take refuge within the parks.
I could be wrong? You know me, probably some sort of conspiracy theory hidden in that logic. LOL!
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 06:21 AM
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I certainly find it hard to believe that the DNR would purposefully incorrectly state harvest numbers. To suggest such, without evidence, is a big stretch and really unwarranted.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by delaney: I certainly find it hard to believe that the DNR would purposefully incorrectly state harvest numbers. To suggest such, without evidence, is a big stretch and really unwarranted. Sarcasm
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 08:04 AM
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delaney
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No, just my honest opinion.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 09:30 AM
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Jeff Valovich
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One thing to remember is that most of these Parks and preserves are not hunted every year...some are hunted every other or every three years....plus on the first session is right after the opening of gun season and many of the deer use these parks as a refuge looking to escape....The parks hunt have been a huge success in reducing the damage done by years of over browsing and super high deer numbers....heck, some of these parks had deer in excess of 100-150 per sq. mile at the beginning of their first reduction period....
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff Valovich: One thing to remember is that most of these Parks and preserves are not hunted every year...some are hunted every other or every three years.... It looks like to me about 75% are hunted every year!!! Table 1. Number of State Parks and Deer Harvested 1993-2013 Year-Number of Parks-Total Deer 1993 1 392 1994 0 0 1995 5 1,422 1996 7 2,027 1997 9 2,430 1998 10 1,735 1999 10 1,599 2000 15 1,697 2001 13 1,483 2002 14 1,609 2003 20 2,121 2004 15 1,253 2005 16 1,336 2006 17 2,213 2007 18 1,300 2008 17 1,468 2009 17 1,334 2010 16 1,689 2011 21 1,546 2012 14 1,292 2013 21 1,763 Total Deer:31,709
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 01:56 PM
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I can't speak for the other parks,but I grew up around and still live within 2 miles of Versailles Park.I was off work a lot in late December-mid January with the holidays and vacation.I would say I drove thru and around the park at least 25 of the last 30 days.I saw squirrels,beavers,otters,raccoons,coyotes,one mink,and as many as 5 bald eagles at one time.The one animal that I saw absolutely zero of was the overpopulated whitetail deer! IMO,the DNR is in the insurance lobby's pocket and are destroying our deer herd,and doing it with the blessing of hunters"doing their part".
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by JimH: I can't speak for the other parks,but I grew up around and still live within 2 miles of Versailles Park.I was off work a lot in late December-mid January with the holidays and vacation.I would say I drove thru and around the park at least 25 of the last 30 days.I saw squirrels,beavers,otters,raccoons,coyotes,one mink,and as many as 5 bald eagles at one time.The one animal that I saw absolutely zero of was the overpopulated whitetail deer! IMO,the DNR is in the insurance lobby's pocket and are destroying our deer herd,and doing it with the blessing of hunters"doing their part". I don't think the parks have anything to do with insurance companies... Most speed limits are 15 to 20 MPH so hitting a deer would do little damage... The park hunts came around because deer were overpopulated and doing damage to the environment in the parks...
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/19/2014 11:12 PM
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Comparing state park hunt results to the status of the deer herd statewide is laughable at best.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/20/2014 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Bryan78: Originally posted by JimH: [b] I can't speak for the other parks,but I grew up around and still live within 2 miles of Versailles Park.I was off work a lot in late December-mid January with the holidays and vacation.I would say I drove thru and around the park at least 25 of the last 30 days.I saw squirrels,beavers,otters,raccoons,coyotes,one mink,and as many as 5 bald eagles at one time.The one animal that I saw absolutely zero of was the overpopulated whitetail deer! IMO,the DNR is in the insurance lobby's pocket and are destroying our deer herd,and doing it with the blessing of hunters"doing their part". I don't think the parks have anything to do with insurance companies... Most speed limits are 15 to 20 MPH so hitting a deer would do little damage... The park hunts came around because deer were overpopulated and doing damage to the environment in the parks... [/b]If you want to see enviromental damage to the park,drive up to the saddle barn area in VSP-they have cut at least 300 mature trees(oak,hickory,ash,gum and others)...way more damage than the deer ever done.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/20/2014 01:41 AM
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The 14 state parks hunted in 2012 experienced a 20% drop in harvest (251 animals) in 2013. There were 21 parks hunted in both 2011 and 2013. The 2013 harvest reflected an increase of 217 animals versus 2011. It was the "maintenance hunts" (every other year) that picked up the slack and drove the overall increase...with 60% of those animals coming from Brown County SP.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/20/2014 02:31 AM
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In 2013 a total of 1,763 deer were harvested with 6,552 hunter efforts across two, 2- day reduction. The mean 2013 H/E was 0.28, which is slightly higher than the 2011 H/E of 0.25. Twenty one parks were also hunted in 2011 with a similar number of hunter efforts.
The cumulative five year average mean H/Mi² is currently eight deer/Mi² above target levels (Figure 2). 16 of the 22 properties participating in 2013 remain above the target H/Mi² threshold after the 2013 effort.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/20/2014 08:07 AM
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Many years ago when the state park hunting and habitat issue first came up, there were a couple of questions/issues, one of which might still be an issue today. One was the health of the deer themselves. At Brown County, studies were done showing fetal health and bone marrow "health" and I believe the study showed an improved health of the deer after a couple of years. The other issue was the health of the habitat. Certainly at many parks like Brown County the question was how long, if ever, the forest floor would recover because even a few deer would likely continue to destroy the new growth due to browsing. My point is only that if the goal continues to be restoration of the forest floor, certain parks likely need to have almost no deer for a number of years for the habitat to recover as suggested by some at the start of the initial hunts. I do think that a lot of guys have counted on these hunts for "guaranteed" deer but obviously that was not ever intended from a management standpoint or a hunting standpoint.
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/20/2014 09:07 AM
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Hunting was never in the "use" plans for the parks...same as here with the Nat. Lakeshore....never in the original plans....heck, in many of these parks when they were formed, there wasnt deer or very few....Now, it would take an act of congress to change that in regards to the Nat. LS....that is why they use their own sharpshooters....Our state parks were easier to get the management plans changed once the parks showed damage from over browsing.... I can say that the Dunes State Park is showing recovery, but we have plants that are unique to this area and they still show some damage, but now we have oaks that are growing in locations they were absent and the ground cover and damage to the dunesides are now minimal. Gone are the distinct browse lines ....
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Re: 2013 State Park Deer Reduction Results
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01/27/2014 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by JimH: I can't speak for the other parks,but I grew up around and still live within 2 miles of Versailles Park.I was off work a lot in late December-mid January with the holidays and vacation.I would say I drove thru and around the park at least 25 of the last 30 days.I saw squirrels,beavers,otters,raccoons,coyotes,one mink,and as many as 5 bald eagles at one time.The one animal that I saw absolutely zero of was the overpopulated whitetail deer! IMO,the DNR is in the insurance lobby's pocket and are destroying our deer herd,and doing it with the blessing of hunters"doing their part". I couldn't agree more Jim!
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