Byran, that has been "discussed" multiple times on here....they aint vertical....simply put......to put it a nut shell....I'm a BOWhunter first and foremost....if I wanted to hunt with something that has a stock, monte carlo cheek piece and a 3-9 scope...I'll pick up my slug gun or ML.... I'm done with the crossgun rant....

and as for a "healthy herd".... at what cost to the herd and hunters and what deer herd level's ?? beside the 25% reduction levels that has been mentioned.....

got to go to work and get ready for the "blizzard" and negative zero temps...ya all have fun and play nice..... carry on ....