S-wilk, frankly I am tired, WE DO THINK THE ANTLERLESS DEER ARE BEING OVERHARVESTED AND WANT A REDUCTION IN QUOTA's, BUT WE WANT THAT BASED ON WHAT THE HERD IS DOING SCIENTIFICALLY. WE don't want the entire state managed like the state parks have been and that is what is going on in a nutshell. We what the biologists hired and we want them free to do their job, and I can guarantee you if they are honest would have the same goals as we do at IWDHMA>