A lot of us talked with the John Olsen, Wayne Bivens, Glen Lange, and numerous other DNR guys and they all acknowledged that the "orders" came from the top or beyond. But at least back then, the sportsmen had some voice and some influence. A lot of that changed when the Daniels administration took over in my opinion. Where there once was an interest in the folks in fish and wildlife to meet with sportsmen and try to get things done, they came under the influence of cost reductions and more so do as they are told then getting input from sportsmen, all sportsmen. For a lot of us who spent a good deal of time trying to influence things or support the DNR, we were pretty much told "those days are over". For a while now, and not to say these guys are bad guys, the directors of the DNR aren't even biologist types.