For some hilarious reading just pull up some of those old "long range" deer sniper threads with people making those "amazing" long range kills with shotguns and muzzle loaders. Now with that list of poster and what they claimed, come here and see what they are saying to justify center fire rifle cartridges.

Drive for hours to hunt Hoosier National Forrest, only to find it is now the trailor trash ATV park? Turn them in here, 1-812-275-5987 Bedford HNF office law enforcement. Put it in your cell.