Agree some are junk, but Barnes are skived copper and they are the best out there in my opinion. They weigh the same on recovery w near perfect expansion. Only bullets I pay $1 a shot, because I'm cheap. In fact the last 24 pack of 250mz's I found in a bargain cave of a Cabelas for $15 because they had been opened and taped up. Still got 7 left after several seasons. Now I just shoot unlubed 250 gr cast bullets in MMP sabots to shoot paper and adjust sighting. A Barnes for good measure and the next one gets shot at deer. If these Federals open up and don't fly apart like the old copper solids, they could be good too. Salty though, as 76 points out.