Good stuff thanks for the links. Yeah I do see the advantages and have succsessfully hunted logged areas. I do have some areas that I like that are really mature and they are special too though. I saw a lot of activity with brush hogging forest openings this year and that was nice. Controlled burns too. I guess the forest lands that were picked up originally were regenerating and also pines planted by the CCC in the 30's and that helped grouse back in the day, but then it has really matured. Some mass clear cuts of large pine acreage in the Hoosier this fall and winter going on too. Those clear cuts will be gnarly soon. Seems like they are hitting it pretty hard, compared to say 10 years ago but we adjust, as do the animals. It has made hunting better is some areas.