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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5322
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Approximately 500,000 people hunt deer in Ohio. Approximately 420,000 hunters are expected to participate in this year's gun season, including many out-of-state hunters Dew Ohio can not enjoy the seasons we do regardless of what they want they have a short gun season because of the huge amoount of hunters they killed 191,000 with 7 day gun and 4 day mzl get the point

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Approximately 500,000 people hunt deer in Ohio. Approximately 420,000 hunters are expected to participate in this year's gun season, including many out-of-state hunters Dew Ohio can not enjoy the seasons we do regardless of what they want they have a short gun season because of the huge amoount of hunters they killed 191,000 with 7 day gun and 4 day mzl get the point
Yep......I get the point. They have over Double the interest in Ohio because they DONT have regs like Indiana.


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5324
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you cant turn loose twice the no. of hunters in 3 times the the season and expect the same management results the seasons are set to reach an objective harvest unfortunately for Buckeyes that is accomplished in just 11 days. fortunately for us to reach our DNR,s harvest goals we get to hunt for 30 days afield the only reason they have double the interest is they have double the population its as simple as that . If 250,000 buckeys quit hunting the seasons would change accordingly

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you cant turn loose twice the no. of hunters in 3 times the the season and expect the same management results the seasons are set to reach an objective harvest unfortunately for Buckeyes that is accomplished in just 11 days. fortunately for us to reach our DNR,s harvest goals we get to hunt for 30 days afield the only reason they have double the interest is they have double the population its as simple as that . If 250,000 buckeys quit hunting the seasons would change accordingly
Ohio does not have 11 days of gun because they have 500,000 hunters.

You are incorrect/misinformed on a hunter population model dictating deer gun days in Ohio.

Try again .....


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You are the one that had better try again. 500,000 hunters have nothing to do with the season lengths???? LOL on that.. The reason Archery season is so long is the fact it doesnt have the same effect a firearm season the same no. of Days would have

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you cant turn loose twice the no. of hunters in 3 times the the season and expect the same management results the seasons are set to reach an objective harvest unfortunately for Buckeyes that is accomplished in just 11 days. fortunately for us to reach our DNR,s harvest goals we get to hunt for 30 days afield the only reason they have double the interest is they have double the population its as simple as that . If 250,000 buckeyes quit hunting the seasons would change accordingly
Yup +1

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You are the one that had better try again. 500,000 hunters have nothing to do with the season lengths???? LOL on that.. The reason Archery season is so long is the fact it doesnt have the same effect a firearm season the same no. of Days would have
Call Tonk and see what he tells you...... wink


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Approximately 500,000 people hunt deer in Ohio. Approximately 420,000 hunters are expected to participate in this year's gun season, including many out-of-state hunters Dew Ohio can not enjoy the seasons we do regardless of what they want they have a short gun season because of the huge amoount of hunters they killed 191,000 with 7 day gun and 4 day mzl get the point
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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5330
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[b] Approximately 500,000 people hunt deer in Ohio. Approximately 420,000 hunters are expected to participate in this year's gun season, including many out-of-state hunters Dew Ohio can not enjoy the seasons we do regardless of what they want they have a short gun season because of the huge amoount of hunters they killed 191,000 with 7 day gun and 4 day mzl get the point
Rifles coming soon!!!!

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And the number of days to use that PCR rifle...........does not extend gun season. wink

They kept it (# of gun season days) the same......and kept it out of the rut.


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5331
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never said it would will only give the option of a different firearm I and I think most are in Ohio are ok with that They are doing in Ohio as we will soon be doing adjusting the harvest with No. of Doe Tags that will be available

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Someone is in a perpetual rut about keeping firearms out of the rut.

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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5334
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Someone is in a perpetual rut about keeping firearms out of the rut.
I know right... Geesh... :rolleyes:

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haha..people in ohio want a gun season JUST like Indiana. ya the people who want that are the ones that have little knowledge about what it takes to have quality hunting or just simply dont care. who in their right mind would want to adopt our seasons..ding ding ding..NOBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN. people that hunt ohio know what keeps it good...short gun season out of the rut. pretty simple. i know most the morons, ya morons, on here disagree and they are the root of the problem in Indiana. you have to be a complete *&&(*^*&^&)(&* (*&(_&*_)&* to not get this. i'll be waiting for the email saying im banned. ive had enough with you dumb ***** whewww i feel better

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The reality is that everyone has a different view of what hunting is and no one is any more right then wrong. If anyone has half a brain, then everyone has half a brain. I really do wish folks would get over the right and wrong of seasons. Sure, opinions and feelings are different but there is no right or wrong, just preferences. Heck, I might be for shortening gun and bow seasons dramatically, and that would make "quality" hunting really good. But it sure doesn't make me right.


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Bump...

Here we go with the name calling!!!!


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Delaney, my only OPINION is that i wish we'd change our seasons because I want to kill more and bigger bucks. It is a FACT that by shortening gun season and taking it out the rut that more bucks survive, get older and become bigger. This is what i dont get that people dont understand. I can see if you dont want to shorten gun season, though i dont agree. But dont even try to tell that it wouldnt create more and bigger bucks..BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG O MARY LOU. If you dont get this then, YES, you are a moron

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The reality is that everyone has a different view of what hunting is and no one is any more right then wrong. If anyone has half a brain, then everyone has half a brain. I really do wish folks would get over the right and wrong of seasons. Sure, opinions and feelings are different but there is no right or wrong, just preferences. Heck, I might be for shortening gun and bow seasons dramatically, and that would make "quality" hunting really good. But it sure doesn't make me right.
Wow I can tell this whole conversation went right over your head. There is in fact a right and a wrong and the way indiana manages the deer pop. is wrong. Ohio would be retarded to adopt our regs. Look at the numbers people, they don't lie. Ohio kills more deer and more trophies. The only reason indiana comes anywhere close to ohio in trophy bucks is because of a terribly long gun season with out that indiana would be off the map. Yea sure we have killed some trophy deer in the past couple years and have been making some noise, with our regs I can promise you this wont last our regs are designed to slaughter the population not manage it and definitely not to grow trophy bucks.

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[b] The reality is that everyone has a different view of what hunting is and no one is any more right then wrong. If anyone has half a brain, then everyone has half a brain. I really do wish folks would get over the right and wrong of seasons. Sure, opinions and feelings are different but there is no right or wrong, just preferences. Heck, I might be for shortening gun and bow seasons dramatically, and that would make "quality" hunting really good. But it sure doesn't make me right.
Wow I can tell this whole conversation went right over your head. There is in fact a right and a wrong and the way indiana manages the deer pop. is wrong. Ohio would be retarded to adopt our regs. Look at the numbers people, they don't lie. Ohio kills more deer and more trophies. The only reason indiana comes anywhere close to ohio in trophy bucks is because of a terribly long gun season with out that indiana would be off the map. Yea sure we have killed some trophy deer in the past couple years and have been making some noise, with our regs I can promise you this wont last our regs are designed to slaughter the population not manage it and definitely not to grow trophy bucks. [/b]
"Good deer biology does not make for good public policy." Indiana NRC mtg (somewhere I have the date/quote in my notes).

Deer herd is not and will not be managed from a biology standpoint IMO. It is managed by culture. That is why I think Dave is correct in what he is saying that my preference may not be someone else's and that does not make both right or wrong.

My .02 (I should have just kept quiet)


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[b] The reality is that everyone has a different view of what hunting is and no one is any more right then wrong. If anyone has half a brain, then everyone has half a brain. I really do wish folks would get over the right and wrong of seasons. Sure, opinions and feelings are different but there is no right or wrong, just preferences. Heck, I might be for shortening gun and bow seasons dramatically, and that would make "quality" hunting really good. But it sure doesn't make me right.
Wow I can tell this whole conversation went right over your head. There is in fact a right and a wrong and the way indiana manages the deer pop. is wrong. Ohio would be retarded to adopt our regs. Look at the numbers people, they don't lie. Ohio kills more deer and more trophies. The only reason indiana comes anywhere close to ohio in trophy bucks is because of a terribly long gun season with out that indiana would be off the map. Yea sure we have killed some trophy deer in the past couple years and have been making some noise, with our regs I can promise you this wont last our regs are designed to slaughter the population not manage it and definitely not to grow trophy bucks. [/b]
I can assure you that this not over my head, although there are many things that are over my head. Except when the deer are in biological trouble, everything else is opinion, management style and social preference.


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I cant dumb it down any further for you guys so ill go back to only reading your wrong "OPINIONS" and keep my facts to myself.

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Delaney, my only OPINION is that i wish we'd change our seasons because I want to kill more and bigger bucks. It is a FACT that by shortening gun season and taking it out the rut that more bucks survive, get older and become bigger. This is what i dont get that people dont understand. I can see if you dont want to shorten gun season, though i dont agree. But dont even try to tell that it wouldnt create more and bigger bucks..BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG O MARY LOU. If you dont get this then, YES, you are a moron
Why not just ban all deer hunting from Nov. 1st to the 30th then?... Afterall, it's all about making bigger bucks right? You game, everyone else game on this....

I mean if some are so **** bent on wanting the gun hunting out of the rut, wouldn't it make more sense then to just move everyone out of the rut?

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I cant dumb it down any further for you guys so ill go back to only reading your wrong "OPINIONS" and keep my facts to myself.

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[/qb][/QUOTE]I know you would love to be just like Ohio, But I work in Ohio and there is nothing but bitching about there gun and Muzzle Loader Season, They would love to have the same dates and number of gun days as Indiana does.Also there are several articles in Ohio Publications about there deer numbers and harvest numbers being way to Low. Look around you'll find the articles!

Ohio ppl say this because they see big bucks all bow season out of range. giving them gun season during the rut would ultimately lower the amount of trophy deer in the long run. Of course the year you did ohio would be the top state in the US for boone and crocket bucks because they just spent the last several years growing big bucks. It wouldnt last though.

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[b] Delaney, my only OPINION is that i wish we'd change our seasons because I want to kill more and bigger bucks. It is a FACT that by shortening gun season and taking it out the rut that more bucks survive, get older and become bigger. This is what i dont get that people dont understand. I can see if you dont want to shorten gun season, though i dont agree. But dont even try to tell that it wouldnt create more and bigger bucks..BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG O MARY LOU. If you dont get this then, YES, you are a moron
Why not just ban all deer hunting from Nov. 1st to the 30th then?... Afterall, it's all about making bigger bucks right? You game, everyone else game on this....

I mean if some are so **** bent on wanting the gun hunting out of the rut, wouldn't it make more sense then to just move everyone out of the rut? [/b]
That's where the facts start to get shaky because where do you start and stop. Brian's comment is perfect. Heck, cut all the seasons down to two weeks, in December and you'll have all the big bucks you want. When the discussion goes to "facts", the issue still become preference as to how far you take the facts.


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And to say ohios harvest numbers are low isnt smart. Their harvest numbers are way more then ours their top county is over 7000 deer ours is like 3. And they do most of it with a bow vs our guns wow indiana sucks

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And to say ohios harvest numbers are low isnt smart. Their harvest numbers are way more then ours their top county is over 7000 deer ours is like 3. And they do most of it with a bow vs our guns wow indiana sucks
Don't forget the BAITING..... That really takes some SKILL!!!!

Talk about sucking eek ....lol


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And to say ohios harvest numbers are low isnt smart. Their harvest numbers are way more then ours their top county is over 7000 deer ours is like 3. And they do most of it with a bow vs our guns wow indiana sucks

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Hmmmm.............I guess I'm not alone after all when it comes to wanting replicate Ohio Regs here in Indiana. I can only hope jjas sends these people hateful private messages to them like he does me. Treat us all alike jjas....LOL!!!

Those wanting regs in Indiana like they have in Ohio.........please send your comments to the IDNR on the link posted currently on this forum. The IDNR is taking feedback on such till the end of February.

Here is some more advice........fill out the IDNR form multiple times, use fake e-mails, tell all your friends on Face-Book and Twitter to do the same.............then go to other hunting sites from Ohio, Iowa, Illinios, Kentucky, Kansas, etc and have them fill out replies also for our IDNR and have them tell our IDNR they want a shorter gun season in Indiana, out of the rut. The more Hoosiers that have this opportunity here at home........the less they will be traveling then to those states to hunt the deer they wish they had here. The neighboring states WIN by encouraging voting to keep us more like what THEY have.........that we want. Get them on board........it will reduce non-residents in their state they don't want from Indiana. Regs like those other states helps keep our hunters in Indiana. Get on those out of state Forums and get their hunters to help us get it done. Our IDNR is stuck with an "un-secure method" for gathering electronic feedback.....everyone knows it.....so EVERYONE should get to abuse it. May pave the way for more secure feedback and halt "multiple bullzhit" submissions that do not represent one person. But until that's fixed..........FLOOD our IDNR with feedback from anyone that can fill out that feedback form.

Here's the link gang.....let them have it.....

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These are the tactics that a few hunters used to get Prop 2.0 pushed through.

Repackage the A-Bomb and toss it back to them. Hoosiers are fed up with this mess.......the average deer hunter was NOT represented by Prop 2.0.........and our IDNR was NOT able to use their first choice of Prop 1.0 which was more like Ohio regs. Help our IDNR get the voices heard that will restore their first choice in the beginning.

And for the rest of you few...........HATE AWAY!! LOL!!! wink

Ohhhh......and for one member in particular here.......when it comes to "name calling"........just spell it out. Would hate to think your "man card" has expired....and you're just left to typing in "code"....LOL!!!!! :p

Good God there is some entertainment here..........


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5355
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[b] DFTT.... cool
Bump...

Here we go with the name calling!!!! [/b]
I applaud you for at least being fair Brew. No matter who is doing the name calling....you just won't stand for it.


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5356
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You toatly missed my point .... :rolleyes:

Parke is the one doing the name calling!!!


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5357
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call um like you see um!!

Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5358
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You toatly missed my point .... :rolleyes:

Parke is the one doing the name calling!!!
Ooops my bad..........Parke's way is bad to you, Weedhoppers is acceptable to you. What was I thinking.....LOL!!


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5359
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some things you dont want to be online. can get sued for harassment for anything these days. you all can read between the lines.

sorry if i hurt ur feelings Brew by the name calling ha. name calling? gimme a break.

Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5360
02/14/2014 08:42 AM
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And I thought it was valentines day. Please just everyone be respectful.


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Re: The Recipe for Collapse.....Good Read....Our Indiana Deer Hunting Future #5361
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