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Glendale FWA Bow Kill #48186
10/03/2018 10:06 PM
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Killed in Daviess county opening evening at Glendale FWA with crossbow. 24 points 208" green scored

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48187
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not a "bow" kill ......


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48188
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Long Bow = Bow
Recurve Bow = Bow
Compound Bow = Bow
Cross Bow = Bow

Common denominator = arrows

Can we not demean each other over our choice of weapons as we all pursue the game we all love to hunt?

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48189
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nope, BZZZZZZZ... wrong .... .... Crossbow = Crossbow, that is how it had to be checked in .... a crossbow kill ... if it was a VERTICAL bow, it would be checked in as a "bow" kill .... IMO, crossguns aint a "bow" even though the damn things are in archery seasons ... they should be with the rest of the shoulder fired "tools" ........

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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48190
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BTW..... nice deer ...


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48191
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That is a great buck indeed. I don't know any of the story but why are the back hams missing from the deer in the pics. It is just of the head and front shoulders. They guy holding the deer looks like he would rather be getting a root canal done instead of holding a buck of a lifetime. If i would have harvested that deer i would have a smile on my face wider than the rack. I also would have taken some better pictures.

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48193
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Great deer!
But yeah, title should say crossbow kill.
Unless old enough or injury, crossbows are for people who dont want to take the time to learn how to shoot a verticle bow. They have a scooeand a trigger. Just about anyone who's ever shot a gun can pick up one thats been sighted in and hit their mark on the first try. Try doing that with a compound or other. Not mention the added hurdle of drawing back without being seen also.
Of course we live in an era where we are not supposed to say anything if our opinion is more traditional. Not trying to bust balls, just stating one man's opinion that's all. 1 opinion = 1 vote.
Please don't start crying, that'd be all to typical.
Nice deer though

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48194
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Nice one!

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48195
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Congrats to the hunter. That's a heck of a deer!

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48196
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Couple more pics.... looks like he had his 5 yr son with him also!

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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48197
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that cant be an official score... there has to be a drying time with shrinkage .... I think someone just used that sheet to get a rough score ... still should stay over 200"


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48198
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Drying” Period – Once an animal has been harvested and tagged/registered/processed, the antlers/horns/skull needs to go through a mandatory drying period of at least 60 days. Before the drying period begins, it would be appropriate to completely clean the skull plate (for antlered and horned animals). In the case of bear and cougar skulls, the drying period can not begin until the skull has been completely cleaned of all flesh and membrane (either via boiling or a bug box). During this drying period, the antlers/horns/skull must remain at room temperature and normal atmospheric humidity, in an unaltered state.

still a nice critter ... does the hoosier book do the same for drying before entry ..??


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48199
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From Pope and Young... for clarity ........ now a "bow" ... thank goodness for P&Y ...


The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow.

For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted.

Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting.

The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48200
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BREW, that's a beautiful deer, congrats!!


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48201
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Brew didnt kill it ... all he did was post the pics of a crossbow killed deer ...


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48202
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Deer of a lifetime. Congrats to the hunter.

Agree the above is an estimated green score....and he should have used the Boone & Crockett score sheet (same scoring system)...as the deer is not eligible for Pope & Young records.


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: Jeff Valovich] #48205
10/12/2018 12:57 PM
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Ahhh this site is pretty much non existent anymore, and then there is a Dick like Jeff that has to be an ahole and ruin a good post.

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48206
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Are we really still debating if crossbows should be used to hunt with this time of the year or if they are or are not "archery" or whatever you want to call it? Really? Who gives a chit. So what, the dude shot it with a crossbow ... more power to the dude, it was his choice. At the end of the day, he was deer hunting. Assuming he had a legal tag for his weapon and season of choice, who really gives two chits?

As to scoring it on a P&Y vs a B&C paper ... LOL ... what a petty bunch of petty 7th grade girls we have here. I don't know for a fact, but I am willing to bet that the dude knew a P&Y scorer who used a score sheet simply to get a reference point as to its size for the guy, should he elect to have an official score by whichever organization it qualifies for down the road. The process is the same so who gives a crap what paper an unofficial green score is done on. We as hunters cannot seem to help ourselves when it comes to cannibalizing our own collective. Lord help us.

CONGRATS to the dude who shot this deer!

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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48207
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Beautiful buck, congrats to the hunter. Real tough to get an old one like that so early in the season.


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48214
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all I did was point out the inaccuracies of some of the stuff posted .. and as for the crossbows, I'll still despise them and if YOU dont like it, KMA !! ... thank God we have Pope and Young who still are willing to stand up for BOWhunters and not be bullied by the crossbow klan ... if that is the tool you want to use, that is your choice, just dont call yourself a BOWhunter ... as for myself, I'm a BOWhunter have been for over 30 years and will die being one ... and as I said earlier for the blind, the daft and those with reading comprehension.. NICE DEER ..

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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48216
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I am a BOWhunter and I use a crossBOW. I don’t need the ok from any group or club to tell me different. I have killed deer with recurve and compound.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Valovich
all I did was point out the inaccuracies of some of the stuff posted .. and as for the crossbows, I'll still despise them and if YOU dont like it, KMA !! ... thank God we have Pope and Young who still are willing to stand up for BOWhunters and not be bullied by the crossbow klan ... if that is the tool you want to use, that is your choice, just dont call yourself a BOWhunter ... as for myself, I'm a BOWhunter have been for over 30 years and will die being one ... and as I said earlier for the blind, the daft and those with reading comprehension.. NICE DEER ..



Typical bowhunting elitist !!

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Originally Posted by DEC
Are we really still debating if crossbows should be used to hunt with this time of the year or if they are or are not "archery" or whatever you want to call it? Really? Who gives a chit. So what, the dude shot it with a crossbow ... more power to the dude, it was his choice. At the end of the day, he was deer hunting. Assuming he had a legal tag for his weapon and season of choice, who really gives two chits?

As to scoring it on a P&Y vs a B&C paper ... LOL ... what a petty bunch of petty 7th grade girls we have here. I don't know for a fact, but I am willing to bet that the dude knew a P&Y scorer who used a score sheet simply to get a reference point as to its size for the guy, should he elect to have an official score by whichever organization it qualifies for down the road. The process is the same so who gives a crap what paper an unofficial green score is done on. We as hunters cannot seem to help ourselves when it comes to cannibalizing our own collective. Lord help us.

CONGRATS to the dude who shot this deer!


I did congratulate the hunter. I could care less what weapon was used as long as it is legal. I also pointed out the deer is NOT eligible for entry in P&Y records even though there is a P&Y score sheet posted online. I have serious doubts an official P&Y scorer filled out a green score sheet for a crossbow kill to get plastered all over in internet. More likely, the guy or a friend printed off a P&Y score sheet from the internet. Could have just as easily printed off the B&C score sheet instead....and actually used the correct form for which the animal complies. You seem to be under the assumption that everybody on the internet sees the P&Y form and automatically knows the deer doesn't qualify due to the weapon used. That's not real world IMO.
I must say...coming from you....the insult was rather disappointing.


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48220
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Proud Elite BOWhunter here, thanks for recognizing me as such ... being elite or an elitist means being above the rest and a BOWhunting snob ... I like that term ... I am however, better than those I am better than, and I work very hard at being such .... ;0)


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48221
10/14/2018 08:22 PM
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Oh man, you have got to be kidding me! I have made kills with a long bow, recurve bow, compound bow and a crossbow. Get over yourself, you don't have to be God's gift to the bowhunting world to kill a whitetail. Once that deer is within range the only skill is drawing your bow while avoiding spooking the animal. This same silly elitist BS played out back in the 70's when compounds first made their way into the hunting game. The guys with long bows and recurves all made lots of noise and predicted the end of bowhunting as they knew it because hunting with a compound was so easy with sights and release devices and everything else. Doesn't matter what weapon you use to hunt and kill a whitetail as long as you are ethical and enjoy the hunt. I've killed more deer than I can remember and none of them was P&Y or B&C, so what?

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48223
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your special kinda special aint ya l0) ..... if one wants to use a crossbow, yep, that is his prerogative, dont claim it to be something it isnt and dont post is as something it wasnt, and then try and soften it using a score sheet of a pure BOWhunting organization, that makes it even worse IMO .. I have much respect for P&Y, their ethics and the club itself, Ive never entered any of my deer into it, dont plan on it, there is more than a handful on the wall that would do so, I BOWhunt because I like the challenge, compound or traditional, I now hunt for big deer and have for a long while, now do it in and on an area that makes it tough to do so .. I want the biggest I think I can take in a given season, sometimes I go buckless for several seasons, waiting on the one I want... I dont kill for killings sake, I kill for hunting sake, I dont kill baby bucks just to fill my tag .. If I want meat, I'll kill a doe and pass on the rest ... everyone hunts for different reasons ... If I want easy or just to kill a deer, I'd gun hunt...

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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48224
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Absolutely amazing! All this squabbling over a set of antlers and piece of paper..............h.h.


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Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: BREW...] #48225
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Aint some people special lol
I’m still bothered by the 70s recurve/compound Debate get over it Crossbows are here to stay and rightfully so ! And Wow what a deer Glad he had his son with him Hope he’s spared this debate !

Re: Glendale FWA Bow Kill [Re: pav] #48226
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Originally Posted by pav
I must say...coming from you....the insult was rather disappointing.


If I miss interpreted your post then I apologise. I am so sick of hunter vs hunter debates over weapons, seasons, labels, scores, deer ages, and about ever other issue that we as a group self destruct over these days.


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