Cabin fever already,,huh?

Oh my so much controversy,one guy wants to use a 30/06 ,i am in favor of SOME calibers in rifles but thats a bit too much.WE would have to look at each caliber trajectory and decide that way.I use a 44mag pistol now for deer,whats wrong with the 44 in a lever action? is it any differant? How about the 35 remington in a TC contender? Some are acting like a rifle is so much more dangerous, all guns are actually,some are more like the 30/06 thats why 'they' could pick and choose and eliminate the higher power/long range calibers.I am a traditionalist but i am no more dangerous if i used a rifle since my caliber would not shoot any farther than a in-line muzzleloader/sabot,TC contender,or a rifled/scoped shotgun with sabots.to all that disagree look at ammo tragectory charts for the 'kind' of calibers that would be allowed,and NO dont look at 30/06-7mm mag-25/06-.243 ect.just because its 'always been'dont mean we have to stay with what we're using now,not when there's no differance.

Reloader,

People tend to always use the .30-06 as an example or comparison when talking about the power of Centerfire ammo. Actually, it is way too dangerious for a .30-06 or any cartridge in it's class to be used in Indiana. However cartridges like the .44 Magnum or .454 or even a .45 Long Colt, all have pratically the same ballistics and range of a M/L or Saboted shotgun load we all use now.

There is a lot of cartriges that can be put in .44/.454/.45 long colt catagory,even the .35 rem and such. there would not be a big stampead to the woods with allowance of a few certain calibers in rifles,no one would be ducking for cover,unless your in Brown co. state park

I agree ,There are some calibers that would be fine.
But I don't believe the state is ready for HI-power centerfire rifles that can reach out 250+yds.
Yeah you can argue ,They let you on yotes.They let you shoot tree rats with no caliber restcictions..........Now stop and think about this.How many people start out hunting coyotes?
How many start out hunting tree rats?When I say start out I mean never hunted ANYTHING before.
Now think about all the first time hunters that take the field on opening morning of shotgun.
**** the only squirrel hunters I know hunt everything. The only coyote hunter are all diehards. What I'm saying they all are experienced hunters.....
Handguns. You must have a handgun permit.More so than not that guy will be experienced.

Also think about the deer herd.Most deer are safe at say 100+ yards.Think about all the deer that live to see another day because of that.
Plus .It would most likely increase deer harvested (buck & doe)...Now more bucks killed means less muzzle loader tags sold. In return you have a increase in license prices.
I say leave it the way it is........

A .44 Magnum, 454 Casull, or even a .45 Long Colt is hardly a 250 yard cartridge. Your various shotgun gauges + Muzzleloader Sabots have the same effective range. Also remember that it is currently legal to use something like a .30-06 in a Handgun here in Indiana.

For some hilarious reading just pull up some of those old "long range" deer sniper threads with people making those "amazing" long range kills with shotguns and muzzle loaders. Now with that list of poster and what they claimed, come here and see what they are saying to justify center fire rifle cartridges.

I believe I said 250+. But if you have a shotgun that is shooting that,why do you even want centerfire rifles.
And unless I'm misstaken I said I agree with some calibers.
And for those of you that can shoot a pistol just as good as a rifle at that range.Why change the law.
This whole topic was exhausted years ago on this site.

Freedom of choice, plus the fact that Loads like the .44 Magnum are much cheaper and reloadable. Shotgun Sabots are neither cheaper or reloadable. You can buy a box of 50 .44 Magnum shells for about $28, while shotgun sabot loads run anywhere from $10 to $15 per 5-shells, depending on brand. M/L ammo is the most reasonably priced but not everyone is into hunting with a M/L. However if you feel you can do with a shotgun firing either expensive sabots or inaccurate 5" @ 75 yard Foster Slugs, then that is your choice.

Nope,my shotgun won't even come close to that kinda yardage.Still don't feel Indiana is ready for centerfire rifles.

I am thinking that you are confusing RIFLE cartridges with PISTOL cartridges. The .44 Mag., .41 Mag., .45 LC, and .454 Casull are all classified as PISTOL cartridges. There are also rifles chambered for the pistol cartridges. Now, a .308, .30-30, .243, .30-06, and .270 ARE much too dangerious to be used here in Indiana for Deer. If it's legal to use the Strightwalled PISTOL Cartridges like .44 Magnum in a handgun, why not in a long gun?? Frankly, I am suprised this issue even came up again.

But your grouping it all with "centerfire",of course not all calibers,but it would be nice to use other guns such as a lever action.Some people might be in disagreement cause they havent owned/shot the kinds of guns/calibers we are talking about,its kinda like the BUG EYED attitude liberals had when they imposed the Clinton assalt weapons ban,talking about that "terrible pistol grip" and such.Im not saying anyone here is a liberal just maybe some misunderstanding of rifles and those certain calibers.

I am thinking that you are confusing RIFLE cartridges with PISTOL cartridges. The .44 Mag., .41 Mag., .45 LC, and .454 Casull are all classified as PISTOL cartridges. There are also rifles chambered for the pistol cartridges. Now, a .308, .30-30, .243, .30-06, and .270 ARE much too dangerious to be used here in Indiana for Deer. If it's legal to use the Strightwalled PISTOL Cartridges like .44 Magnum in a handgun, why not in a long gun?? Frankly, I am suprised this issue even came up again. [/QB][/QUOTE]


DRS~I agree with you 100%

Reloader, I agree with your post 110%! As you see, by reading some of the threads on this subject, that most Hunters (Not All) here really don't understand much about Cartridges & Firearms at all. This is the perception I get when they start comparing .30-06's to .44 Magnums, then try to justify their inaccurate shotguns as being "Good enough". I personally have fired, at least once, practically every cartridge out there from the tiny .17's to the mighty .460 Weatherby Magnum, so I have a pretty good Idea when it comes to talking about "Pistol" cartridge power vs. "Rifle" cartridge power.

Yes DRS,understanding only comes with experience with any subject.Ballistics is my hobby,i reload thousands of rounds for differant calibers every year,i stop only for deer season.

Ballistics, reloading, and forming wildcat cartridges are a hobby of mine too. I have over 35 years experience with reloading; so I know how a typical bullet perform and what powder to use with any given caliber. Back in the late '60's I was the first person in my area to own a .17 caliber rifle, a .17 Ackley Bee built on a Martini action. Later I had built several other rifles like a .257 Ackley Improved, .22 K-Hornet, .25 Souper, .17/223, 6.5 X 257 Roberts, and one, I still own, a .458 X 2" AMERICAN built on an Old Remington M-722 Action. I don't really care for these "Short Fat" new cartridges they are currently placing on the market.

DRS I know this is your "pet issue". But surely you already know that the primary reason has been stated many times in the past. In public forums, the DNR in the past would often get asked the question as to why centerfire cartidges are legal only in pistols. Their response has always been that it's a simple safety issue, as follows: Few use handguns. But, of course, most slug-gun hunters would switch to rifles if centerfires were made legal. Then we would have two-hundred-thousand-some-odd centerfires in our crowded Indiana woods, and that has not been considered safe.

OF COURSE, you disagree with that, but since you keep asking that same question when surely you already know the answer, I thought I would review it again for you.

.....And yet they (the State) legalize fireworks!....See what I mean, "Reloader" too many here that fail to understand about firearms and basic ballistics.

Yes i see DRS,You can state facts all you want and it doesnt matter or even make anyone think or consider things we have said.Which would you rather get hit with ,a 44cal bullet or a 1 ounce slug from a shotgun? A rifle is a much SAFER way to deliver a bullet,gee its not a laser

dont think we need them. plus the irresponsible idiot factor during gun season, i say no.

So a shotgun is safe for idiots?a .44 lever action is no more dangerous.

Whittington if he'd rather Cheney had been using an AR15.

Reloader, I guess you can see the "mindset" of some members here on the subject Shotgun slugs vs. Pistol cartridge firing rifles. I don't think we're going beable to educate anyone, that a 12 or 20 gauge sabot is no more safier or dangerious than a .44 Magnum. So I guess you're right about "shotguns being safe for Idiots"

Like i said before DRS,theres a whole lot that dont have experiance shooting differant calibers,most just have a shotgun/sluggun,a .22 and probably not much opportunity to shoot and play with stuff like we do,finding a place to shoot is hard,imagine how many young people would love to go out with dad to target shoot but have no where to go,thats why i dont like Indiana now that the countryside is dotted with a house in almost every woodlot,im down to a couple places to shoot/hunt now from dozens i used to have as a teen.

Reloader, You're right 110%! I know what you mean about finding places to hunt or shoot here in Indiana. Where I live, Vanderburgh County, what countryside is left it is way small and homes dot the landscape. It's really hard to find a safe place to hunt or even target shoot. I guess I am lucky as I have 15 acres wooded where I can still hunt Small Game & Deer, here. I must drive up to Sugar Ridge F&G Area's rifle range to pratice shooting with one of my High Powered rifles, and it's a 70 mile round trip. I normally hunt Deer in KY as it is far less crowded down there and many places to hunt. I've also been on Deer & Black Bear hunts in Colorado & Washington State several times. I too have lost several hunting areas to development and other concerns, here in Indiana. So yes, I think you're right that some of the fine folks here just don't have the space or oportunity to shoot to have enough experience comparing "Pistol Cartridge" firing Rifles to Shotguns firing slugs.

Whittington walked up unanounced,if it was an ar-15 Chaney would be shooting at a target ,would Whittington walk between the gun and the target?

It has ben suggested that those who feel shotguns are safer than centerfires are idiots yet one has argued the reason we need them to hunt with is the cost of ammo. That too funny.

The cost of what one spends on ammo a year to deer hunt is minute compared to any other expense one incures deerhunting. One must shoot a heck of a lot a deer or is an extremely poor shot to worry about ammo cost. If you shoot a lot of deer your butchering cost is what you need to worry about and if your a poor shot but shoot often you have other problems other than cost of shells.

But we are idiots for not wanting rifles? Lame arguments! Funny though

DNA, One needs to pratice shooting with their rifle or shotgun (firing slugs) inorder to familiarize, themselves, with the capability of their weapon. It is very unsportsmen like to take a firearm out that one has not praticed with very much and attempt to hunt with it. Those who do this are "IDIOTS"

DRS -
You are correct that it is prudent to shoot your gun and sight in before going afield, however I'd venture to guess that less than 50% of the deer hunters out there actually do it.
Most just stuff a few rounds in it and head out, thinking "It was good enough last year".

This thread is very entertaining. I see all kinds of flaws on both sides of this issue..... I'll weigh in soon and make both sides mad.lol

Most are just "Weekend Hunters" No real knowledge of how their firearms work or perform. Also a lot of closed minds here.

DAVID!>>> Why the closed minded comments!.. It would seem by the poll that it is pretty well an even split... Or did you mean that not everyone is in total agreement of what YOU THINK!

It's NOT what I "Think", but rather what I Know!

Here we go again..........

No were not....

I highly doubt you speak for the majority of us here.

How do you come to this conclusion?? MOST??? I'd be willing to bet MOST of us here aren't the ones you're referring to. Please enlighten us. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Its more than about opinion,its about facts,come on ,you know a sluggun and a .44 levergun side by side is hardly any differance on range,thats all im saying.

YOU obviously havent read my previous posts concerning this issue! I have stated more than once that there were flaws on both sides of this issue and I even started this thread so a fair an honest exchange of "opinions" could happen. I did this soley for Mr. DRS as he he thought this site was "anti" and closed minded. It's not and anyone can say or voice as they so choose. With that being said, it needs to be done in a factual manner or you might get hammered. Jumping up and down and crying like a little school girl cause the DNR hasn't givin the rifle crowd thier blessing is just plain foolish.

The tactics used to get this thing approved have just been well... tackey at best.
On the flip side the "anti" side of the issue makes foolish statements about not wanting the "idiots" out there with center fire rifles! I guess Kentuckians are smarter than us huh!.. Think before you post on such an issue is all I am saying........ And don't even try to educate me on ballistics..........

NOW if the majority decides to allow rifles to some extent in Indiana and it is done by means of proper channels then I am fine with it. Heck I'll probably find some old crusty 45/70 and do it myslef once. If we dont go that route, I'm fine with that too as I have plenty of optionss to choose from the way it is... The cost of ammo and blah blah blah blah is a usless argument..

Gundude, I strongly suggest that you leave me out of your demented ranting, regarding this thread. I am sick of it!!!

DIITO DAVID!!!!!!!!!! I have tried my best to help you in your endevour and yet you have done more harm to your cause than good. (Thats just my opinion by the way) Now you can continue to carry your torch the same way you have always done so and nothing will change. OR you can change your ways and maybe get something done.... Either way this thread has been aloud to run for months and it is now going to come to a close in this forum. If you want to bring it up somewhere else on this board, by all means do so, thats your choice but I am locking this one down. If you don't like it then take it up with the Admin. They don't have any problem putting me in my place, I'm sure of that.


You burned your bridge with me when you lied and and then went on to say that this site waas " anti gun" and " anti hunting"..... For some foolish reason I sent you a PM and tried to expalin how to get things done and you ignored it. I gave you another chance by starting this poll thinking you would come around but you didn't. So thats the end of that. This subject is closed in the gun forum.. Take it elsewhere and maybe you will find a more "open minded moderator".
Now if you will excuse me I have some .41 mag cases that need to be reloaded.