HB1231 includes language the Natural Resources Commission denied last year for inclusion of high power rifles. Senator Arnold or one of his friends apparently wants to use some HPR but this allows for everything from .243 on up with no limits on actions or magazine capacities. The bill will be heard in the House Natural Resources Committee next Monday.


iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1231#document-ec736648


Jack

It also authorizes the following:

Authorizes the use of purple marks to post real property against trespassers.

To be clear I am not against HPRs but I do want restrictions on autoloaders as far as magazine capacity. It already sounds like a firefight on opening day. Seems to me the 60 day comment period and study by the DNR should overrule some legislator whose presenting this proposal.

Try hunting on one of the Fish and Wildlife areas opening day/weekend of gun...it is a war zone...heck, there are even some dopes that try drives...talking about stupidity.... I have been adamant about the use of centerfires.... I dont want them for deer in this state...period !!

I'll just keep using my single shot. It's already a 200+ yard centerfire without holdover. A trimmed 35 remington, 357 max or the various 358 wildcats are already doing it very well. I don't even have 4 large in my build counting Nikon scope and a trip to the smith.

Without going all Zumbo on you guys, I personally don't care for ARs in the field but that's just me. Stopped last year and had an interesting discussion on public land with a fellow bearing a 458 socom or some other big bore ar build. He was not happy that me and my sil were walking back to "his" spot. Kind of got a weird feeling the way this dude was acting so we split. It can get a little wild out there on opening weekend, I do agree.

It's just like the Sunday beer sales it never going to stop being brought up untill it passes ... Good or Bad

I just cant see guys with 30/06's, and 7mm mags on places like Willow Slough and Jasper Pulaski, and at Kingsbury its just stupid, "blood Alley" will be just that ....heck, Winimac is only 4800 acres ..... stupid, stupid, stupid ...if they want to use the dam things, keep 'em down south of Indy in the huge Nat. Forest lands or bigger state lands... for use in this county(Porter), Lake and others with high densities it is an accident waiting to happen..... we get reports of slugs going thru barns and houses every year up here...hate to see it with these big guns... and THAT IS A FACT !!

There already using the equivalent to the that now in the wildcat rounds all over the state....and up there also

I don't see this passing....

In my experience in Kentucky, where any legal centerfire is allowed, they do not allow them on their wma's, except for short duration quota hunts that are draws. The Daniel Boone NF is ok to use them and it dwarfs the Hoosier. When I talk public I am usually referring to the Hoosier NF not fwa's. I get the concern.

I don't want my Amish neighbors lined up on the property line with HPR oh and their 10 kids

Throbak I bout laughed iced tea out my nose. I hear ya.

Follow up post, Throbak I got on here this morning and reread. I thought your post was about 10 Amish hunters lining a fence row all with hpr's. The visual cracked me up. Kind of like the electric Amish on Q95. My apologies if it hit you wrong as I understand your point. I have fished lakes and observed habits on crappie and I travel in Amish country. They can be tough on fish and game. Although the visual cracked me up I understand it's your reality and it's not a laughing matter. No offense intended.

None taken lol

Studies have proven rifles are safer than slugs. A HPR bullet fragments on contact...a slug bounces thru the woods like a cannon ball.


Means Nada to me, I'll stick to my bows and black powder

That study wasn't done with modern ammo also....

As expected the rifle proposal passed 11-0.

I see the comment "they already use them" a lot when this topic comes up.

The big difference is current cost to legally hunt with a HPR cartridge. You either go custom hoosier build or an expensive pistol.

However, if this passes people are going to be buying $200-$300 cheap single shot .308s or $500 AR's like it is the apocolypse. Most sloppy Joe hunters won't take the time or money it takes currently to hunt with HPR....now though he can just grab is old AK or AR and BOOOM till his or her's heart content.

Bird hunters have round limits....if passed I'd support at least that being restricted.

Unless someone amends it, there will be no magazine restrictions.

Which in my personal opinion shows the lack of understanding and is asinine. (my opinion personally of course)

Ty....you need to do a fact finding/search on what folks are using now in wildcat rounds. Many wildcat rounds equate to HPR now and are just a simple brass trim and reload no custom gun needed. They are used now over the entire state on public and private land by many it seems.

The part I don't understand with this bill is your be able to hunt private land with HPR but not public...no matter what the private acreage size is.

This thing is a long way from becoming law....

I bow hunt nearly 100% of the time but am around guns a lot at the shop...however I do claim ignorance on the topic of wildcat rounds. I understand the brass trimming but you can't just grab a .358 Hoosier for cheap that I know of?

Or perhaps that isn't the round you are meaning, please explain as I do admit firearm hunting to me is of little interest and my .44 Blackhawk or Muzzeloader do just fine when the rare time I do gun hunt happens.

There are several that are trimming .35 Remington, .45-70, and some other rounds to the required length and using those rounds in standard production rifles.

Still, though average Joe blow doesn't put in that effort. These are not the ones I'm concerned with. The ease at which one can acquire if passed an HPR is incredibly easy.

Those that wish to already have HPR equivalents, I just don't see the need personally. But if passed, I would strongly think common sense says limit capacity like waterfowlers.

I though high power rifles were already legal??

Just the long (and growing) list wildcats and handguns.....for now.

Basically they are

Ty.... So your ok with HPR as long as the average Joe is priced out from using them??

No. I personally, my own personal opinion don't see the need for them nor the necessity of fighting for their inclusion.

I also personally don't care enough to fight against though in the sense of banging down doors, writing legislators or forming collective minds in an effort. I simply would vote no if asked and carry on.

As some have stated if the ability to shoot a HPR cartridge floats your boat the chance is already out there. Even a modern inline ML can make a 200 yard shot, if practiced, all day long without issue. Shoot I know guys accurately and lethally shooting their bolt slug guns that far.

My only real contention is if passed that there is no capacity maximum. It is a logical safety precaution to not allow scattering tens or more rounds at a target. To me 5 is a good solid number....me personally I believe 1 shot only but that is my personal flavor

Hopefully that cleared the mud to a little clearer

Are they needed for deer management in this state....no, they are not ... will they increase the kill, yes, they will ..... will there be more accidents with them...... time will tell...... if they keep 'em off the state lands like the F&W area's and preserves out of the Park Hunts that would be a good thing..... esp. the way they pack the guys into the state parks... it is scary as it is ....

If it's not good for their land why in the world would it be OK for mine that I don't understand??

I don't think it will bump harvest totals any higher than it would do anyways IMO.

tynimiller My only real contention is if passed that there is no capacity maximum. It is a logical safety precaution to not allow scattering tens or more rounds at a target. To me 5 is a good solid number....me personally I believe 1 shot only but that is my personal flavor


I think there is going to be a problem with limiting capacity to 5 IF (and that's a big IF) this passes, as there are legal lever action rifles that hold more than 5 rounds now.

Things like this are part of the reason I think this thing will die off once the real debate starts.

Most shotguns hold more than the waterfowlers are allowed....but maybe the deer hunters aren't as smart lol!

Wont be any debate, no one shows up to conference meetings and "our" legislators have no idea what they are discussing.

What really happened here is a few people who wanted the HPR in administrative rule and did not get it.......They went to their legislators. GOOD MOVE! Our IDNR CAN NOT speak..... If you want it ...... Legislate it.

I realize the "I want it now generation", I and others are relics.......

IF this thing passes with varying capacity limits, it could end up pretty confusing.....

Rifles in approved calibers that hold up to 10 rounds in a tubular magazine - legal.

No limit on rounds that shotguns hold - legal.

Semi-auto rifles in approved calibers that hold more than 5 rounds in a removable magazine - Legal/not legal?

Bolt action rifles that hold more than 5 rounds in a removable magazine - Legal/Not legal?

What a mess....

Not sure how limiting capacity would be a "mess"!!

Just because your gun holds a certain amount of rounds doesn't mean you need to fill it up to the MAX capacity... :rolleyes:

If there is a limit, then one would expect there to be ways for the DNR to make sure hunters adhere to that limit, such as a plug in a shotgun. I don't know how you would limit a lever action to say 5 rounds. Can you plug it? Should you have to?

The point being....if this passes, they need to make hard/fast rules as to what is allowed/not allowed to alleviate any confusion and be done with it.

No semi auto's maybe the better way to go.... I belive some states have that now for Deer vs a round cap. Max

You know...the more I think on this that would be a much cleaner and easier to understand and implement than a capacity limitation. Great way to go about it in my opinion.