Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Public hearings scheduled for proposed fish & wildlife rule changes
The Indiana Natural Resources Commission will host two hearings in June to seek public comment on proposed changes to a number of fish and wildlife rules.
The hearings will be Monday, June 10, at Mounds State Park in Anderson and Thursday, June 13, at Spring Mill Inn in Spring Mill State Park in Mitchell. Both hearings will start at 6 p.m. EDT.
Proposed rule changes for discussion include:
— Requiring hunter orange on ground blinds used during the day when hunting any species for which the hunter is required to wear hunter orange.
— Allowing the use of the draw-loc device when deer hunting.
— Adding a new primitive muzzleloader season.
— Adding 15 days to the deer archery season without crossbows.
— Changing the north and south zones and season dates for quail hunting.
— Changing the rabbit season to one statewide season for public and private land.
— Changing the pheasant season dates.
— Removing the peregrine falcon from the state’s endangered species list.
— Changing the limits on taking black bass on several lakes in Indiana.
— Limiting the number of lake whitefish that can be taken per day.
— Adding the round hickorynut to the list of endangered species of mussels.
The complete list is at dnr.IN.gov/fishwild/2362.htm
Those who are unable to attend the hearings can view the proposed new rule language and submit comments online at nrc.IN.gov/2377.htm. Look for the rule package titled “Fish and Wildlife Miscellaneous Rule Amendments.”
Comments can also be mailed to:
Natural Resources Commission Indiana Government Center North 100 North Senate Ave., Room N501 Indianapolis, IN 46204
All comments must be submitted by Thursday, June 13. provided to commission members and Department of Natural Resources staff, and will be publicly disclosed and searchable on the Internet and in a paper docket as part of the final report.
The final report is expected to be presented to the NRC to request final adoption of the rule changes at its meeting on July 16.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Some interesting changes that were originally proposed back in January now being heard. I highlighted a couple that can expect a fight.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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This proposal is a massive change to the Fish & Wildlife rules.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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What cracks me up are the "Einsteins" that say the so called "MAJORITY" got what they wanted in Proposal #2" that was adopted.........and that the State just listens to the "MAJORITY".....and that the average hunter was represented well with the Prop #2 changes by those claiming victory for the MAJORITY and "Joe Six Pack" hunter...... Well......if the MAJORITY was represented by the States adoption of Prop #2, and the State just listens to "Joe Six Pack" which represents the MAJORITY...... ........who's to blame now. LOL!! Ain't it a wonderful bed a few made for ya'll that led you to believe you were on the "right path" just to get crossbows with Prop #2, and throw out the ideas of those that supposedly were not representing the MAJORITY (but really were), and were representing what the IDNR wanted as their first choice with Prop #1...... You boyz ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Talk about winning a "battle" but losing a "war"......LOL!!!! My favorite thing in life is watching how ACCOUNTABILITY gets played out EVERY TIME......and who starts squirmin' when it raises it's JUSTICE head.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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— Requiring hunter orange on ground blinds used during the day when hunting any species for which the hunter is required to wear hunter orange.
Looks like when Rabbit or Bird season is in you may soon need Hunter orange on your blind to Deer Hunt!!!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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— Allowing the use of the draw-loc device when deer hunting. If you want to use a crossbow use one. — Adding a new primitive muzzleloader season. If you want to hunt with a primitive m/l...you already can. — Adding 15 days to the deer archery season without crossbows. Allowing 15 days of bowhunting in September serves no practical purpose and IMHO, appears to be nothing more than a bone thrown to those who didn't want crossbows in the archery season and don't care for the youth season. Am I surprised by any of this? Nope...Apparently it's "payback" time........ :rolleyes: For those who wish to comment....please do so... nrc.IN.gov/2377.htm
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by jjas: Am I surprised by any of this? Nope...Apparently it's "payback" time........ :rolleyes:
It's "payback" to a few..........it's "Correcting the Ship" if you're the MAJORITY.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: Originally posted by jjas: [b] Am I surprised by any of this? Nope...Apparently it's "payback" time........ :rolleyes:
It's "payback" to a few..........it's "Correcting the Ship" if you're the MAJORITY. [/b]Of course it is..... :rolleyes:
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: [Q]It's "payback" to a few..........it's "Correcting the Ship" if you're the MAJORITY. [/QB] Wait...What How is it "correcting a ship" for giving 15 days to a few guys who's feelings got hurt since crossbows got added to the archery season? Was their season adversely affected with the inclusion of crossbows? My answer is a resounding NO! This is all about egos nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by Bryan78: This is all about egos nothing more, nothing less. Wrong. This is about what you want vs what someone else may want. What is hilarious is when the "Einsteins" railroaded the IDNR in guiding our regs towards Prop #1..........it all the sudden turned into "What I Want" running the show instead of the IDNR running the show. The "Einsteins" got what they wanted........but also laid the permanent path for "What I Want" to forever be our new "drum beat" for future regs. The Einsteins showed the world that "What I Want" can trump the IDNR. And now they are crying that their game they used may not get them what they want every time.........and the pipeline is endless for "What I Want" now from all sorts of groups. The "What I Want" Einsteins now are calling it "payback". LOL!!! The bed they got a few to crawl into is now coming full circle.......and now the MAJORITY is jumping on the train of "What I Want" that the Einsteins made. Accountability in the end for what we create can be quite the "Ice Queen" cant it...... Enjoy the ride..........much more to come.........
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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why dont you knock off the name calling of those you dont agree with? Im pretty sure its still against the rules here...at least for everyone else.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by trapperDave: why dont you knock off the name calling of those you dont agree with? Im pretty sure its still against the rules here...at least for everyone else. So........let me get this straight. The leader of the "Einstein" world and thought puts up the picture of Einstein next to his every post on his site......and a few people like you trapperdave flocked to his ( cough ) "leadership".....and ran to his logic when it got you what YOU wanted. But now that "Einsteins" methods are turning against him and his loud crew of few......it's now "name calling".......LOL!!! I gotta tell ya........this is pure entertainment to watch the "squirming" that I pointed to in my very first post. Talk about predictable........
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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can you argue a point without sounding like a condescending azzhat?
I dont think so.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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I'll make ONE comment here:
DEBATE THE ISSUES NOT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. IF YOU DON"T LIKE "EINSTEIN" OR HIS CROWD TAKE IT TO ANOTHER THREAD OR I'LL CLOSE THIS ONE DOWN PRONTO.
Stick to the issues not the process or the opponents.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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I do find it ironic that some of the people supporting the new proposals (and two additional seasons) are the very same people who have vehemently complained about there already being too much pressure on the herd.... Go figure..... :rolleyes: As I've stated in the past....why not let the current regs run for 5 seasons, gather and analyze the data and make changes @ that time (if necessary). Regardless.....whether you agree/disagree with the proposal(s), we should let our friends/family and fellow hunters know what is being proposed and ask them to comment. Let hunter's voices be heard. nrc.IN.gov/2377.htm
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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The proposed deer rules are simply ridiculous and petty changes to appease a very small group of hunters that feel some need to "get even". Just very, very sad! My response has been sent to the NRC for those who wish to review submitted responses.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Jack - any details on when during the season this primitive muzzy deal would fall? Wondering if they tack it on the end of the already existing antlerless-only season created last year, would make for some cold hunting...
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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The proposed rule language can be viewed online. Here is the link (scroll down toward bottom of the linked page): http://www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by jkd: Jack - any details on when during the season this primitive muzzy deal would fall? Wondering if they tack it on the end of the already existing antlerless-only season created last year, would make for some cold hunting... Here are the dates I came across.... The primitive muzzleloader season is from the first Monday in January and continues for an additional six (6) consecutive days.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/sbt-outdoors-deer-season-may-extend-20130519,0,4439216.column
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Does adding 15 days in Sept. really matter? The primitive M/L season in Jan. going to really matter? Most will hunt as usual, kill the same amount of deer, etc. Hunt as you choose, within the law, and have fun.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by solohunter: Does adding 15 days in Sept. really matter? The primitive M/L season in Jan. going to really matter? Most will hunt as usual, kill the same amount of deer, etc. Hunt as you choose, within the law, and have fun. Yep! This^^^^^^
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by solohunter: Does adding 15 days in Sept. really matter? The primitive M/L season in Jan. going to really matter? Most will hunt as usual, kill the same amount of deer, etc. Hunt as you choose, within the law, and have fun. Short answer, NO..... However, why are these days needed for?.... The 15 days for bow is a complete waste of time since all it is for is to please a few who don't like the fact that crossbows are allowed in all of archery season and they might have to share public ground with who else.... THE PUBLIC! As far as the primitive ML season goes..... You already have 32 days that you can use one so why on earth do you need 6 more for? This is why this is a waste of time.... Before this last rule change, how long was it before the DNR did a major overhaul of the rules? Could we at least let this last rule change go a few years before shredding it up....geesh!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by HatchetJack: [b]Public hearings scheduled for proposed fish & wildlife rule changes
The Indiana Natural Resources Commission will host two hearings in June to seek public comment on proposed changes to a number of fish and wildlife rules.
The hearings will be Monday, June 10, at Mounds State Park in Anderson and Thursday, June 13, at Spring Mill Inn in Spring Mill State Park in Mitchell. Both hearings will start at 6 p.m. EDT.
Proposed rule changes for discussion include:
— Requiring hunter orange on ground blinds used during the day when hunting any species for which the hunter is required to wear hunter orange.
— Allowing the use of the draw-loc device when deer hunting.
— Adding a new primitive muzzleloader season.
— Adding 15 days to the deer archery season without crossbows.
— Changing the north and south zones and season dates for quail hunting.
— Changing the rabbit season to one statewide season for public and private land.
— Changing the pheasant season dates.
— Removing the peregrine falcon from the state’s endangered species list.
— Changing the limits on taking black bass on several lakes in Indiana.
— Limiting the number of lake whitefish that can be taken per day.
— Adding the round hickorynut to the list of endangered species of mussels.
The complete list is at dnr.IN.gov/fishwild/2362.htm
Those who are unable to attend the hearings can view the proposed new rule language and submit comments online at nrc.IN.gov/2377.htm. Look for the rule package titled “Fish and Wildlife Miscellaneous Rule Amendments.”
Comments can also be mailed to:
Natural Resources Commission Indiana Government Center North 100 North Senate Ave., Room N501 Indianapolis, IN 46204
All comments must be submitted by Thursday, June 13. provided to commission members and Department of Natural Resources staff, and will be publicly disclosed and searchable on the Internet and in a paper docket as part of the final report.
The final report is expected to be presented to the NRC to request final adoption of the rule changes at its meeting on July 16. [/b] BUMP....Last week for input
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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yes it has been approved....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by whitetaildave24: So we will have a Sept 15 opening day this year? As I recall from past reading, only if you're in an urban zone. Even if it is passed that date won't make this year's season start earlier. It will be in place for next year's hunting season.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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Originally posted by 76chevy: anybody know if this is going to get approved??
Adding 15 days to the deer archery season without crossbows. "The final report is expected to be presented to the NRC to request final adoption of the rule changes at its meeting on July 16." per the FIRST post in this thread!!!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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NRC meeting agenda is posted online at: www.in.gov/nrc/2354.htm See Agenda Item #10 www.in.gov/nrc/files/item_10_nrc_july_2013.pdf EXHIBIT C DIVISION OF FISH AND WILDLIFE RESPONSE 312 IAC 9-2-15, Hunter orange on ground blinds With ground blinds becoming more common and inexpensive, the Divisions of Fish and Wildlife and Law Enforcement believe that hunter orange requirements need to be added for occupied ground blinds when a hunter is required to wear orange to hunt that species of wild animal. Without this, a hunter who is required by state law to wear hunter orange can hide in a ground blind where the orange is no longer visible, creating a safety issue. This only will apply from one-half (1/2) hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset, which are the same hunting hours for deer. 312 IAC 9-3-3 and 9-3-4, Deer seasons The Division of Fish and Wildlife is requesting that the proposed addition of the archery season from September 15 through 30 without crossbows and the primitive muzzleloader season addition not be given final adoption. The archery season already runs from October 1 through the first Sunday in January. Adding an additional fifteen (15) days simply without crossbows does the following: - Creates confusion for hunters by having another restriction on equipment for these 15 days - Makes it difficult to evaluate the deer rules that were just changed in 2011 and in effect for the start of the 2012 deer season. The Division of Fish and Wildlife has plans to evaluate these rules in 5 years, and this evaluation will not be accurate if additional seasons are added. - Creates conflicts with small game hunters during these 15 days - Partitions seasons even more, creating factions that could affect deer hunting in the future - Does not help manage the deer herd; these additional days are not needed - Creates the need for disabled hunters to have to obtain a special disability permit again to use a crossbow. Disabled hunters will still be able to get a permit to use a crossbow during these fifteen (15) days, creating an additional burden on Division of Fish and Wildlife staff. The primitive muzzleloader season also creates confusion for deer hunters. Muzzleloaders can already be used during the deer firearms season and muzzleloader season, and an additional season simply for certain types of muzzleloaders is not necessary. It also creates confusion for deer hunters by having another muzzleloader season that is more restrictive, creates conflicts with other hunters, and makes it difficult to evaluate the deer rules that were in effect for the start of the 2012 deer season. These two changes are not needed to manage the deer herd and are not supported by the majority of those who commented on this rule package. The Division of Fish and Wildlife is requesting final adoption to the proposed change in 312 IAC 9-3- 3(b)(5) that would allow the use of bows drawn, held, or released other than by hand or hand-held releases during the archery season when crossbows are legal to use. This would allow the use of drawlocs and other similar devices. With crossbows being legal during the regular archery season that starts on October 1 as well as the urban deer season, there is no longer a need to prohibit the use of draw-locs and other devices used on a bow that that help draw, hold, or release the bow during these seasons. Written comments also supported this change. Other DNR requests.. 312 IAC 9-3-16, Cottontail rabbit season While the season would no longer be open in October, the rabbit season is being extended in February by two weeks. The change that starts the season on November 1 is needed because new research on DNR properties has shown that the rabbit breeding season runs from mid-February through September, with some young born or in nests through mid-October. This change would also make the hunting dates on public and private land concurrent. The starting date of November 1 would allow rabbit hunters an additional weekend to hunt prior to the start of the deer firearms season, and would start the season after the average first frost for 86 of 92 counties, curbing issues with parasites. The change in the starting date of rabbit hunting to November 1 also aligns with the proposed opening of the ring-necked pheasant and bobwhite quail seasons. 312 IAC 9-4-9, Bobwhite quail season, bag limit, and zones By starting the south zone on November 1 and ending on January 10, the length of the south zone season will consistently run 71 days. The earlier starting date of November 1 for both the north and south zones would provide for a consistent statewide starting date and would also be proactive in reducing the potential for additive mortality without reducing season length. The change in the north and south zones fit both climate data and research/monitoring data more appropriately than the current boundary. Furthermore, the starting date of November 1 would allow quail hunters an additional weekend to hunt prior to the start of the deer firearms season, and would start the season after the average first frost for 86 of 92 counties. 312 IAC 9-7-6, Black bass Scales Lake has been intensively managed and surveyed by the DNR since the early 1990’s. Numerous Fish Management Reports have been written by the DNR’s District 6 Fisheries Biologist, with the most recent ones being in 2006 and 2007. An angler creel survey was also conducted in 2001 which determined angler preferences and catch. The vast majority of the anglers preferred fishing for bluegill (60%) versus other species; hence, the fishery is being managed for the best bluegill and redear sunfish fishing possible. To ensure good fishing for panfish, it is imperative to protect the largemouth bass population to increase the number of predators in the lake. This would be done by switching the current 12 to 15 inch protective slot limit back to a 14 inch minimum length limit. An increase in predators will also help control gizzard shad if they are illegally introduced as seen in other area lakes (Patoka Lake, Lincoln Lake, Vann Park Pond). If gizzard shad are introduced and are able to take hold they would outcompete bluegill to the point that it would ruin the bluegill fishery.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/03/2013 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by fullrut: NRC meeting agenda is posted online at: www.in.gov/nrc/2354.htm
See Agenda Item #10
www.in.gov/nrc/files/item_10_nrc_july_2013.pdf
EXHIBIT C
DIVISION OF FISH AND WILDLIFE RESPONSE
312 IAC 9-2-15, Hunter orange on ground blinds
With ground blinds becoming more common and inexpensive, the Divisions of Fish and Wildlife and Law Enforcement believe that hunter orange requirements need to be added for occupied ground blinds when a hunter is required to wear orange to hunt that species of wild animal. Without this, a hunter who is required by state law to wear hunter orange can hide in a ground blind where the orange is no longer visible, creating a safety issue. This only will apply from one-half (1/2) hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset, which are the same hunting hours for deer.
312 IAC 9-3-3 and 9-3-4, Deer seasons
The Division of Fish and Wildlife is requesting that the proposed addition of the archery season from September 15 through 30 without crossbows and the primitive muzzleloader season addition not be given final adoption.
The archery season already runs from October 1 through the first Sunday in January. Adding an additional fifteen (15) days simply without crossbows does the following:
- Creates confusion for hunters by having another restriction on equipment for these 15 days - Makes it difficult to evaluate the deer rules that were just changed in 2011 and in effect for the start of the 2012 deer season. The Division of Fish and Wildlife has plans to evaluate these rules in 5 years, and this evaluation will not be accurate if additional seasons are added. - Creates conflicts with small game hunters during these 15 days - Partitions seasons even more, creating factions that could affect deer hunting in the future - Does not help manage the deer herd; these additional days are not needed - Creates the need for disabled hunters to have to obtain a special disability permit again to use a crossbow. Disabled hunters will still be able to get a permit to use a crossbow during these fifteen (15) days, creating an additional burden on Division of Fish and Wildlife staff.
The primitive muzzleloader season also creates confusion for deer hunters. Muzzleloaders can already be used during the deer firearms season and muzzleloader season, and an additional season simply for certain types of muzzleloaders is not necessary. It also creates confusion for deer hunters by having another muzzleloader season that is more restrictive, creates conflicts with other hunters, and makes it difficult to evaluate the deer rules that were in effect for the start of the 2012 deer season.
These two changes are not needed to manage the deer herd and are not supported by the majority of those who commented on this rule package.
The Division of Fish and Wildlife is requesting final adoption to the proposed change in 312 IAC 9-3- 3(b)(5) that would allow the use of bows drawn, held, or released other than by hand or hand-held releases during the archery season when crossbows are legal to use. This would allow the use of drawlocs and other similar devices. With crossbows being legal during the regular archery season that starts on October 1 as well as the urban deer season, there is no longer a need to prohibit the use of draw-locs and other devices used on a bow that that help draw, hold, or release the bow during these seasons. Written comments also supported this change.
Other DNR requests..
312 IAC 9-3-16, Cottontail rabbit season
While the season would no longer be open in October, the rabbit season is being extended in February by two weeks. The change that starts the season on November 1 is needed because new research on DNR properties has shown that the rabbit breeding season runs from mid-February through September, with some young born or in nests through mid-October. This change would also make the hunting dates on public and private land concurrent. The starting date of November 1 would allow rabbit hunters an additional weekend to hunt prior to the start of the deer firearms season, and would start the season after the average first frost for 86 of 92 counties, curbing issues with parasites. The change in the starting date of rabbit hunting to November 1 also aligns with the proposed opening of the ring-necked pheasant and bobwhite quail seasons.
312 IAC 9-4-9, Bobwhite quail season, bag limit, and zones
By starting the south zone on November 1 and ending on January 10, the length of the south zone season will consistently run 71 days. The earlier starting date of November 1 for both the north and south zones would provide for a consistent statewide starting date and would also be proactive in reducing the potential for additive mortality without reducing season length. The change in the north and south zones fit both climate data and research/monitoring data more appropriately than the current boundary. Furthermore, the starting date of November 1 would allow quail hunters an additional weekend to hunt prior to the start of the deer firearms season, and would start the season after the average first frost for 86 of 92 counties.
312 IAC 9-7-6, Black bass
Scales Lake has been intensively managed and surveyed by the DNR since the early 1990’s. Numerous Fish Management Reports have been written by the DNR’s District 6 Fisheries Biologist, with the most recent ones being in 2006 and 2007. An angler creel survey was also conducted in 2001 which determined angler preferences and catch. The vast majority of the anglers preferred fishing for bluegill (60%) versus other species; hence, the fishery is being managed for the best bluegill and redear sunfish fishing possible. To ensure good fishing for panfish, it is imperative to protect the largemouth bass population to increase the number of predators in the lake. This would be done by switching the current 12 to 15 inch protective slot limit back to a 14 inch minimum length limit. An increase in predators will also help control gizzard shad if they are illegally introduced as seen in other area lakes (Patoka Lake, Lincoln Lake, Vann Park Pond). If gizzard shad are introduced and are able to take hold they would outcompete bluegill to the point that it would ruin the bluegill fishery. WoW....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 04:07 AM
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Im glad to see they are done pandering to the whiny narcissistic special interest groups
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 04:14 AM
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LOL. You seem to be trying to set off some fireworks this morning Trapper.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by jjas: It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out...that's for sure. I wouldn't say it over and done yet!!!!!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by BREW...: Originally posted by jjas: [b] It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out...that's for sure. I wouldn't say it over and done yet!!!!! [/b]I can appreciate your optimism and hope that the regs are given a good look @ and that the input of sportsmen (the majority who didn't want the changes) bears some weight in the final decision. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 10:46 AM
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In politics, and to a certain degree the DNR has to deal with politics, nothing is ever over. Regardless of outcome, it is nice to see a well thought out position by the DNR and possibly an indication that there will continue to be a heavy reliance on global input of sportsmen.
"Fishing is like a one night stand, unless you're fly fishing, then you've encountered the romance of your life"
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 11:00 AM
07/04/2013 11:00 AM
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Just took quite a few calls from some that are seeing this, and the Fish and Wildlife recommendations. I found it interesting that NONE on the phone with me could give a rats butt on how this goes.........but EVERYONE of them was quite concerned by the statement of "we will review regulations in 5 years"........that's 2016 folks. Each of them during the conversation was H E L L bent on making sure their neighbors knew and they knew......this next 4 years is going to be the largest drop in population of deer our state has ever seen in history. They were already coming up with ways to convince people to be responsible as to not "over harvest" just for the heck of it. Two also said they and others will now lease more ground to keep those out that have no self control. Sportsmen appear to be at war with each other more than ever before since the NRC did what they did in 2011......and now at an all time high (and climbing) negative outlook of our NRC....and IDNR that is now trapped under the NRC's manipulation from 2011. **Less Deer **Less Quality **Less License sold to hunters by 2016 due to dramatic drop in deer to hunt **More leasing to "lock others out" **More division between Hunters than ever before **More distrust of the NRC than ever before **More Indiana hunters looking for out of state deer hunting opps by 2016 due to ravaged deer herd at home All since the NRC took over the IDNR in 2011 and made the IDNR throw out their "first choice" and made them settle for their "second choice".......and will continue to get worse on how sportsmen see the NRC clear to 2016. They (NRC Leadership) made their bed with those that they even said they were exchanging 100's of emails with in the last NRC session where Prop #2 was adopted......time to reap what they sewed. Mark my words......There will be some ABRUPT changes for the 2017 season. Not far away at all...... Lots of "wheel greasing" time......
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by delaney: Regardless of outcome, it is nice to see a well thought out position by the DNR and possibly an indication that there will continue to be a heavy reliance on global input of sportsmen. Expect Electronic feedback from the public to weigh heavy on things that "don't matter" to the IDNR. Expect Hard Copy Mailed surveys (such as they used in OBR data) to gain TRUE data on things that DO matter to the IDNR in the future.....ensuring NON manipulated input. THAT's gonna sting quite a bit to those that like to "appear" they are the Majority as they succussfully did in 2011.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 12:08 PM
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I sometimes think folks forget that if the DNR wants to roll back the harvest numbers in the future, they need not revise season lengths or such but basically only address antlerless tags.
"Fishing is like a one night stand, unless you're fly fishing, then you've encountered the romance of your life"
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by delaney: I sometimes think folks forget that if the DNR wants to roll back the harvest numbers in the future, they need not revise season lengths or such but basically only address antlerless tags. And maybe avoid some of the foolishness that has been going on for the last two years in the process.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Hunt N Nut: More hunters looking to hunt out of state and in state hunters leasing more ground to keep others out? Which is it Dew? Are they leaving the state or not.
Surprisingly, you make less sense today than usual. I think you likes to hear yourself talk. Yep.....I like to talk about things others don't want discussed. And as you will learn right now Hunt N Nut........there are different reasons why people lease. 1) They will lease outside of Indiana to find the Quality that was taken as our herd is being drastically cut, and our 32+ days of gun season remained intact. Our IDNR did not want that to happen in Prop #1 but due to the NRC's leadership manipulation of Prop #1......we now have a massive deer reduction in place.....and no means for Quality to be sustained. Hence we are already hearing from the Leadership of the Hoosier Record Book the drop in Quality entries. Again....Hoosiers will lease OUTSIDE of Indiana for the Quality that is being lost at a dramatic pace already. 2) Those that aren't as interested in Quality here in Indiana, they will lease inside Indiana.......they will lease their fellow Hoosiers out so they still have some Quantity left. We have already begun to see that. That is EXACTLY what Base Camp Leasing told us and Wildlife Officers in both Illinios and Ohio told us. The Lack of Quality draws Hoosier hunters out of Indiana to lease.......The lack of Quantity will drive those left in Indiana to lease to at least have some deer to hunt. The overcrowding of our Public Ground these days are those that got "shut out".....and there will be more of them. Interestingly enough.....some of those pieces of public ground know how they hunt too....and exclude all hunters from using their Bonus Doe tags on those public properties!! They know the type that got booted/leased off the private ground.......and they don't want their "kill 'em all" attitudes to ruin the public ground either. There ya go Hunt N Nut.......ya learn somethin' new every day don't ya. People lease for different reasons......imagine that....LOL!!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 12:55 PM
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Leasing takes place for a variety of reasons. More and more of the ag land is owned by the big farmers and corporations and thus that land gets consolidated. That causes some restriction to private lands. Municipalities continue to expand and take lands for a larger development and tax base. That also tends to restrict hunter access. Many farmers and landowners have watched what has gone on in other states in regard to leasing and the ability to make money from that activity. This has been happening for quite some time and likely would have continued regardless of the quantity and quality of Indiana's deer herd. The above things have little if anything to do with Indiana deer regulations.
Now, quality could increase as leasing expands because those who lease reasonable amounts of property can then start the process of managing for whatever quality and quantity they wish. Of course, this somewhat depends on property size and habitat and the surrounding lands hunter attitudes. This then also takes much out of the hands of the DNR and creates an interesting situation. Actually, there is leased land in Indiana that is controlled by some TV personalities who are looking for quality opportunities, as they determine quality. Certainly, if the IDNR simply did away with deer season there would be plenty of quality and quantity, but obvious social problems.
Whether or not Hoosier Record Book entries will increase or decrease in the future is reasonably pure speculation. Frankly, if the deer herd reduces, there might be a corresponding reduction in social deer hunters, thus reducing pressure on the herd and quite possibly increasing the age structure of the herd for both bucks and does. I think it should also be remembered that the Hoosier Record Book entries should have absolutely no influence over regulations or deer policy. The record book is not a scientific analysis of anything and there are always a number of deer throughout Indiana taken every year that probably could be entered into the book that are never entered for whatever reason. This year at the Renfro Show there was a booner that they guy didn't want entered, if I remember correctly.
"Fishing is like a one night stand, unless you're fly fishing, then you've encountered the romance of your life"
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 02:44 PM
07/04/2013 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by delaney:
Whether or not Hoosier Record Book entries will increase or decrease in the future is reasonably pure speculation. Reasonably False Speculation.....That is not what the Leadership/Scorers of the Hoosier Record Book are saying/documenting currently. There has been a noticeable drop already in Hoosier Record Book entries for 2012. And it is being discussed at events Delaney/Hanes does not attend....or obviously does not discuss with those that have the data he speculates about. Delaney/Hanes speculates real time data.......Hoosier Record Book Scorers and Leadership documents real time data. Doubt me Delaney/Hanes??......put a wager on 2013 HRB entries are even less than 2012's. Steak Dinner......Candle light......little Whine from you while we eat......??? Wouldn't get any better than that.... Nuff said.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 02:56 PM
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Dew, can you not read. in the FUTURE it is pure speculation. You may wish it not to be but it is what it is. I attend one event where the scoring takes place and I do believe the number of deer scored at that event was down. I don't talk to John about the overall yearly numbers. I did though check in a head that was eventually scored by CK that have made Boone and the guy said it didn't want to enter it. So, my point was and is that the Hoosier Record Book is not a scientific measurement of buck harvest of whatever kind in Indiana. Sorry that doesn't fit well with your agenda. And the documents are real time only to the extend that hunters wish to have their heads scored or entered into the books. As such, it is real time only in the sense of non scientific analysis.
"Fishing is like a one night stand, unless you're fly fishing, then you've encountered the romance of your life"
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by varmint101: Lame. +1....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by THROBAK: I have One in the book thats enough for me , Have others at home, Not interested in entering more ,with that said, I am not alone. so number entered shows deer that owners wanted entered not all that could have been But with the so called antler worshiper phase and the griping about the increase in "trophy" hunters wouldn't you expect the number of people wishing to enter HRB bucks to increase? I would think today's hunter more than ever in the past would seek their name in a book.
"Form your own thoughts, instead of quoting another's original insight."-Cody Query
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 05:45 PM
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I think it depends on the age of the hunter, how long they have hunted and a number of other intangibles. Years ago I went to Idaville, Indiana to score a deer for guy. When I got to this guys place, it wasn't actually his deer but a guy who this gentleman was doing taxidermy for. When I entered this guys garage I was surrounded by a number of bucks that would go 140 or better. I commented about it and he said they were all his. He was an older gentleman and I asked if they were all in the record book and he said no. He said one was but that he didn't bother with the others. At the time, I was a little amazed at his comment. I also used to hang out and help, a little, at a butcher shop near Lake Cicott and would be amazed at how many times, although not overly frequently, that guys would leave 130'ish antlers behind and not want them. This was about 15 to 20 years ago.
The other intangible that might be affecting antler harvest the last couple of years is the disease that has hit some areas so hard. If the disease has taken the toll that some think, that might have an affect on the bucks and it might simply take a year or two for the bucks and age classes to reestablishment in a number of areas throughout Indiana. This too possibly could be an influence that has nothing to do with season length or even bag limits.
"Fishing is like a one night stand, unless you're fly fishing, then you've encountered the romance of your life"
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Cody.Query: I would think today's hunter more than ever in the past would seek their name in a book. You are correct. But expect those with only interests of meat, or those with little skill, or interests of just watching a sunset on stand, .......or those that just don't care, etc, etc to "throw stones" at the idea of hunters caring about quality deer. There are many reasons why there are "those that don't care".......but every one of them would crack the 170+ incher standing next to the spike given the chance......EVERY YEAR. The split in their tongue runs DEEP........and EXCUSES/BLAMING are their best friend..... ......whole nest of 'em in here.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/04/2013 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: Originally posted by Cody.Query: [b] I would think today's hunter more than ever in the past would seek their name in a book. You are correct.
But expect those with only interests of meat, or those with little skill, or interests of just watching a sunset on stand, .......or those that just don't care, etc, etc to "throw stones" at the idea of hunters caring about quality deer. There are many reasons why there are "those that don't care".......but every one of them would crack the 170+ incher standing next to the spike given the chance......EVERY YEAR.
The split in their tongue runs DEEP........and EXCUSES/BLAMING are their best friend.....
......whole nest of 'em in here. [/b]What's so wrong with sportsmen/women hunting for meat, enjoying sunsets on stand, or taking that buck of a lifetime if he happens to walk by? While you choose to live deer hunting 365 days a year, love to hunt big bucks, scoring racks and record books...not everyone that hunts deer is that way. Deer hunting is many things to many people and that's why I supported the 2nd proposal. And while you just can't seem to grasp why people don't "see" things "your" way, I'm just the opposite. I get your obsession and I try to understand the more casual hunter as well. In the end, I just don't think your obsession should trump other peoples opportunities to hunt with a firearm in November or enjoy the new crossbow regs during the archery season if they so choose.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 04:33 AM
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by jjas: What's so wrong with sportsmen/women hunting for meat, enjoying sunsets on stand, or taking that buck of a lifetime if he happens to walk by? While you choose to live deer hunting 365 days a year, love to hunt big bucks, scoring racks and record books...not everyone that hunts deer is that way.
Deer hunting is many things to many people and that's why I supported the 2nd proposal. And while you just can't seem to grasp why people don't "see" things "your" way, I'm just the opposite. I get your obsession and I try to understand the more casual hunter as well.
In the end, I just don't think your obsession should trump other peoples opportunities to hunt with a firearm in November or enjoy the new crossbow regs during the archery season if they so choose. Quote of the year from jjas.......and now I'm going to shed some light on "his type".... You bet....there is NOTHING wrong with people meat hunting, enjoying a sunset......or taking a buck of a lifetime. And as you look over my posts.....you will NOT see me pulling people down for wanting to enjoy those aspects of hunting, or shooting dinks, or just being able to take a doe....etc, etc, etc. But you WILL see jjas "types" attempting to "pull down" those that like "quality" in their hunts......you will see jjas pulling down those IDNR regs that keep "quality" in the hunts......you will see jjas enjoying those that take a "buck in a lifetime" ...as long as they don't do it too often, and consistently year after year....LOL!!! You will see jjas types wrecking the IDNR's first proposal to get to their selfish agenda of crossbows passed in the second choice that our IDNR was forced to come up with.........while I submitted my final feedback to blend both Prop #1 and Prop #2 to ensure quality and quantity issues were BOTH addressed. JJAS has my feedback on such....and won't tell you that part.....go figure. He has what I submitted as my final request to the NRC but doesn't want the world to know how selfish jjas was in the end....while others were trying to compromise. Typical Woody.... And now jjas wants you to all think he's still "God Status" because he picked the "right" agenda of crossbows, and "ravage the deer herd #'s, and worry about quality some other day"... LOL!! My agenda is simple......address Quality and Quantity at the same time. Be positive about those that want to shoot for meat, dinks, does, and Monster Bucks. There is NO wrong way to hunt...and there is no "interest" that is bad.......but having Quality Bucks #'s go up so others get a shot on ANY property they hunt....not just properties like mine.....that is my wish for everyone. And that they get to enjoy that EVERY year......on EVERY property........and DON'T have to lease or travel out of state to get that opp. But jjas doesn't want that for you......for MANY reasons......even though he travels out of Indiana to lease for Big Bucks. He doesn't care what is left in Indiana for quality since he doesn't have anything here at home that is worth managing for such.......so to H E L L with the idea for anyone else to enjoy that either. He also voted ANIMATELY against the One Buck Rule....again, not wanting anything Quality left in this state. That's how the jjas's see it.......that's the jjas method of thinking.......that's the jjas kool-aid that he got you to swallow.......and that's that message he wants you to believe right now, as he taunts..."the next 5 years won't be so bad".......LOL!!!!!!!!!!! And you've got the likes of Brew's in this world that rescue the jjas types... that don't want 32+ days of gun season to end since their trucking job duties may conflict with a change in that "gun schedule" to just hunt bucks...........and you've also got the Delaney/Hanes types that post often that they don't even care about deer hunting, and attempt to rescue the jjas types. All the while straight up telling every one of you in here....."They don't care about deer hunting".....but they want you to listen to them and their ideas of what they don't care about. .......and try EVERY DAY to ravage Indiana away from managing for Quantity and Quality ....as other states all around us have found a way to do EXACTLY that. And doing it SO WELL...that jjas pays to go to those states, thumbing his nose at those that are left behind in this mess here.....that he HELPED create!!! Comical......and Pathetic.......and makes me ill you all have to see this happen. And now worse due to a few NRC brass trumping what the IDNR wanted as their first choice in 2011. Yep......that's where this all started......and that's where it all lays.......still as the responsibility of what those NRC brass did. And they know who they are...... ........and so do we.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 07:27 AM
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Dew,
You seriously are a piece of work.
If selfish is hoping that hunters in this state can hunt with a slug gun, muzzleloader, pistol, pcr, compound, recurve, longbow or crossbow, then...I guess I'm selfish.
If selfish means I think it's wrong to shorten one groups season to benefit another groups.....then I guess I'm selfish.
As far as the obr goes....I have/had no problem with it but I do think it's given too much credit for the improvements in the bucks in this state. Without the reduction in doe numbers the buck herd would not be in the condition it is. In other words...one wouldn't have worked, without the other.
BTW, I don't normally hunt other states. I might have a few times in the past, but not on a regular basis. There's no need to as there was/is plenty of quality deer in Indiana and there will be for years to come. Just ask B&C and the gentleman who killed the 2nd largest hunter killed buck anywhere here in Indiana last season. Yep...the herds going to h*ll in a handcar.....lol.
So you can continue to post your fairy tales about me but that's all they are...fairy tales that only you believe....
Sorry, one more thing...here's a link to book I think you may find helpful....http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by jjas: Dew,
You seriously are a piece of work.
If selfish is hoping that hunters in this state can hunt with a slug gun, muzzleloader, pistol, pcr, compound, recurve, longbow or crossbow, then...I guess I'm selfish.
If selfish means I think it's wrong to shorten one groups season to benefit another groups.....then I guess I'm selfish.
As far as the obr goes....I have/had no problem with it but I do think it's given too much credit for the improvements in the bucks in this state. Without the reduction in doe numbers the buck herd would not be in the condition it is. In other words...one wouldn't have worked, without the other.
BTW, I don't normally hunt other states. I might have a few times in the past, but not on a regular basis. There's no need to as there was/is plenty of quality deer in Indiana and there will be for years to come. Just ask B&C and the gentleman who killed the 2nd largest hunter killed buck anywhere here in Indiana last season. Yep...the herds going to h*ll in a handcar.....lol.
So you can continue to post your fairy tales about me but that's all they are...fairy tales that only you believe....
Sorry, one more thing...here's a link to book I think you may find helpful....http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650 Just so we are clear, and you can quit worrying.....I did not get into this sport to make friends, hunt with, sway or influence people like yourself..... .....I just expose them for who they are and what they represent......and for some unknown reason, they are uncomfortable even with their own "resume" when it is put in summary and writing for all to see. That's pretty clear.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 08:21 AM
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Dew I did not get into this sport to make friends.... ...well...I guess it's good to have goals.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by jjas: Dew I did not get into this sport to make friends.... ...well...I guess it's good to have goals..... And please finish what I meant.... .....friends LIKE YOU. Case in point.....its good to stay away from those like jjas, and expose them for what they are.... that take portions of what you say....and try to make you appear as something that you're not.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: Originally posted by jjas: [b] Dew I did not get into this sport to make friends.... ...well...I guess it's good to have goals..... And please finish what I meant....
.....friends LIKE YOU.
Case in point.....its good to stay away from those like jjas, and expose them for what they are.... that take portions of what you say....and try to make you appear as something that you're not. [/b]Dew, I think you've done a masterful job of letting people know exactly who you are.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Scarlett Dew: Originally posted by jjas: [b] Dew,
I think you've done a masterful job of letting people know exactly who you are..... Makes two of us...... [/b]I'm quite happy with people reading my posts and forming an opinion of me from that.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/05/2013 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by jjas: I'm quite happy with people reading my posts and forming an opinion of me from that. Never doubted that for one second........LOL!!!!!
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/06/2013 06:31 PM
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Never argue with an idiot they will beat you with experience every time..
Dew.. are you looking in the mirror while shaving talking to yourself..
Enough already
Life is hard. Its even harder If your stupid! John Wayne.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/06/2013 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by whitetaildave24: Seriously, let's see how many pages of banter you two can get. I'm pretty sure this has ran it's course. yup.. unbecoming of any real sportsman.
Life is hard. Its even harder If your stupid! John Wayne.
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/06/2013 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by gundude: Never argue with an idiot they will beat you with experience every time..
Dew.. are you looking in the mirror while shaving talking to yourself..
Enough already You win.....
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Re: Proposed F&W rule change hearings
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07/06/2013 07:57 PM
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Dew,,,not saying I agree, nor disagree with your thought process. I have my own opinions on what best suits me. My question is....Why do you have to come on this site and stir the pot?? I mean...I get your point of deer herd management...but your "presentation" sucks. Do you get a "nut-off" demeaning anyone who dares to question you??
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