What may happen on Monday at the Indiana General Assembly won’t be one of those corny gotcha April 1 jokes. You know, like the old “Hey, look, your shoestring’s untied.”


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013303290060

Guess it's time to quit. The amended SB487 passed the committee this morning by a 6-2 vote. This is not an April Fool. Everyone needs to contact his representative and senator in the Indiana legislature and get them to vote this bill down right away.

Jack

Dam...... i needed another thing to do today....ok... illl do what i can!

Ill put a high fence in and sue the state then!!!!!!... this is completely insane... bought votes .. then again thats politics..

Called the Gov. Today.. i was aboit as nice about it as i could be ..in other words i was blunt!.. they said i could expect a return call very soon.......

Again... will someone tell me why we even have a dnr if their hands are tied?

Didn't I count 13 names on the committee list ? Who didn't show up and how did the others vote?

Saunders and Arnold voted no. The rest ducked out of the vote or voted yes. Neither Arnold nor Saunders received money from the deer farmers:

http://campaignfinance.in.gov/PublicSite/SearchPages/FilingDetail.aspx?FilingID=49177

Watch Channel 13 WTHR @ 6 PM tonight.

Jack

So much for Rep. Pelath's support.... :rolleyes:

Good for Saunders. He's from my area. So 5 members of the committee failed to register a vote on the amendment. That is soooo sorry.

Ive been so out od the loop in the last six months its unreal.. havent been to many meetings or anything else... my bad. Just no time..

Thanks to so many for your relentless efforts .. perhaps things will calm down soon and i will try to learn/help more..

Here is the newly amended bill:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/PDF/HCRF/CR048701.001.pdf

I've only read this once but the season is from August 15-Feb 15. Guess they want to sell those deer in velvet. Oh, and there's no bag limit. I guess you shoot until you run out money. Also appears you could gun or bow hunt anytime.

Remember that the original bill passed the Senate 48-0. Need every legislator contacted and asked to vote against this mess. Rep. Saunders mentioned being approached at a gas station and Wal-mart back home and asked to vote against this which he did. Contact your legislators today.

Voting for was Eberhart, Ubelhor, Morris, Morrison, Heaton, and Kirchhofer.

Those testifying for the bill was Indiana Farm Bureau, North American Deer and Elk Farmers member and Vet from Illinois. A lobbiest and swine vet for the Purdue veternarin science. Mr. Bell a Deer Farmer how was featured on Channel 13 who wants in the the hunting but stopped after the ban. Of course the biggest advocates in the room were those legislators on the committee.

What is really clear through all of this is that many legislators have no fear of respect for sportsmen and the DNR. It is all about business

This is exactly what should be expected from a ultra conservative state.

Come on dave.... that flys both ways on several issues..

Some Keith, but when you consider this is almost a property rights thing, it makes sense. Now, yes, on many other issues, liberals states do stupid things also.

Old video but it still reflects the TRUTH....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbcZQ52lAs

If this is a property rights issue i should be able to charge people to dump PCB transformers on my property. Who cares if i comtaminate thousands of citizens drinking water as long as i keep the transformers inside my fence. I am all for private property unless it infringes on the masses rights. CWD will infringe on all hunters and wildlife watchers. We must unite to kill this

I got anorher call from back from the governors office... she asked a few more questions and said my message would be noted ..... in other words nothing!!!... anybody got his personal cell number?..lol...

I got anorher call from back from the governors office... she asked a few more questions and said my message would be noted ..... in other words nothing!!!... anybody got his personal cell number?..lol...

Call Senator Steele and tell him to get that s@$t off his bill or you won't support it.

I tried
.. letters to the bloomington paper about this will stir the dust

Can the senate take this amendment off their bill ? Doesn't the house have to vote on the bill first? Can someone tell me how this works? Its' been 37 years since I've had Civics.

Red, yes and yes. This issue was amended into another bill and if/when the House passes it, it will go back to the Senate for approval. But, the Senate and the bill's sponsor in the Senate will have to approve the added language, which they may decide not to do.

I still maintain the best option is to stop it at the House vote on Friday. Everyone contact as many legislators as possible.

My Rep will be in VeVay at 11:00 Sat. He is going to hear from me . OOPS Sat will be too late BUTTTT, I will find out how he Voted. our senator will be there also they have both heard from me in E-Mails

Looks like the bill won't get to the floor of the House until Monday so get to your rep on Saturday if you can.

Called my representative and a few others for good measure.

Good deal Jack ::: any one going to be at Cedar Branch this wk end Joe ?? 10 mins away at the Switzerland Co, fair grounds

Why debate over fenced hunting is important to have

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130403/EDITORIAL/130409897/1015

May need to make a trip to the farm Dale!

If David Long gets this done over the Governor's wishes we owe him big time:

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...-he-ll-kill-high-fence-hunting-amendment

Jack

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic!

Great News.....

Good article....love to see 'em all go away for good...

If Davisd Long gets it done watch next year, the deer industry will try to buy him off as they have others.

Since 1999 all the groups in Indiana have constantly on the defense, I think now is the time to go on offence. Time to protect our wild herd, and as there is no state or federal money available for clean up should CWD be found in a captive herd, write new rules that owners of domestic cervids need to carry insurance on their property to cover cleanup and depopulation expences.

Look at Wisconsin who has spent over 50 million dollars. They had to pay to depopulate the farm that had CWD, bought the farm at $400,000.00, double fence said farm AND try to contain CWD in the wild herd. Indiana does not have the money, the Feds have discontinued any funding for CWD.

IMO, if you want to "farm" deer, or shoot domestic deer you as an owner operator should cover any costs associated with your business. That includes cleaning up the mess CWD brings.

Well said Joe. Let private enterprise be responsible for it's actions and consequences.

AMEN!!!!!!! I have to pay insurance in case MY livestock gets out, and causes an accident, or does crop damage to a neighbors farm, or any other kind of damage. THEY SHOULD TOO! BUT, that is still not a reason to let it happen.

BTW- We all should send thanks NOW to David Long to let him know TRUE sportsmen support, and appreciate what he is trying to do!!!!

Is this Bill "dead" for this year now?????

Seen rumor of this on another form.

I never count the deer farmers out until the session is over. Right now the amended bill is on the House schedule to be voted on Monday.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/reports/2013/BCALH.PDF

Senator Long controls much of what occurs in the Senate and I believe he can stop this amended bill from being heard or strip the amendment off and send it back to the House. Senator Steele can also decline to have the amendment attached to the bill and kill it that way.

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...h-fence-hunting-amendment?nclick_check=1

But I'll believe it when it happens.

Jack