Yaz,

If a yote backs out of a snare setup and goes around will they always go around? Is it best to move the set? Curious minds want to know.....h.h.

I am no means a good snare person and Yaz will set ya straight but last year I found this really good read and it will address. Just wanted to share it with ya:

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1145402/1.html

HH,

The first thing that comes to mind is it could the one that broke away from you last week. You may never catch that dog in a snare again!!! It likely seen, or smelled something not right. If thats the case, you will more than likely NOT catch that same yap there. You may catch a different one though. Instead of moving the set, leave it there, so it is not looking for it. Put another one in a short distance away. Be very careful of scent, and really camo it up with weeds/brush and I bet you have him! I do the same thing with traps when one finds me out. It works most of the time.

Got a few questions:
Was it a fence, or trail run?
How long after you set the snare did you notice the coyote was not committing?
Do you have to walk right up to the snare to see if one is caught.

Bean, I will have to read through that post when I'm not so tired. Bet it has some good info. THX.

I do some little things that I think help with them not committing. I don't get very many refusals. I have figured out that there are "holes" /trails that a single coyote will use. When I catch him, the new snare will hang there the rest of the year, and not so much as a track even close. That tells me only that one yote was using it. Then there are the "holes" that every coyote in the whole section knows about, and can catch one or more a week in that hole throughout the season.

Not an expert, but describe the set, and the location to me, and I might be able to pick up on something. I'm getting started this weekend. Had my Vet over tonite, and he is already telling me stories of how bad the yotes are. Lots of calves being lost right now. I'm sure the deep snow has them hungry, and they are willing to take the risk right now!

The set is about 10 feet from the line fence where the dogs come onto the property, kind of like a tunnel. The fence is laying down so hard to set it but there is a deer trail i seen them come in on. I set it right at the edge of my CRP where the trail come out.

It might be the dog I caught before cause the tracks came from my property to the snare. I caught a female in the same set last year.

Yesterday I had one knock a snare down. You could see his tracks and the snare missed.

Im going to do some resetting this weekend. Thanks, h.h.

HH,

I don't know if your yote actually got his head in the snare before he backed out, or just stopped short. I actually have learned to pre-load my snares, which makes them fast as he!! in closing down on them. You have to have the right touch as not to make them close on there own, or close down if the wind moves them. But, you have to find the natural bend or curve in the cable, then putting some pressure on it, run it over a corner of a vise, table, or sharp edge. This makes the cable want to curl on its own, therefore close like it is "spring loaded". So, if he sticks his head in, and bumps the cable, it will close down before he can back out.

I learned the hard way, you want those snares dead center on trails.

They rarely back out of my loaded 3/32 snares.

here is a good video for all on how to load snares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_so7B8lEwg

It's worth mentioning that in Indiana, any kind of dryland snare set with a loop over 15 inches in circumference (4.75" diameter) must be a relaxing style.

Locking snares, kill snares, spring loaded snares etc are illegal for use out of water in Indiana if they exceed the length limits, which they would for Coyote sets.

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Bean, Thanks for the info. Last year was my first to snare yotes and I caught 5. This year isnt going as good. Im learning each time I set a snare. h.h.

Yaz, Glad I didnt move the set.....this female was waiting on me today. h.h.

Nice going HH.

NICE GOING HH!!!! DId you make the second set also? She made a mess of that one, but it looks like there is enough brush to get that one back in order. Once you catch one, the scent left will attract more, if you can get it re-made.

Actually I forgot to take any extra snares with me so I didnt reset it. The run is to the left of the fence post. She wasn't a very big dog and was caught by her waist. I need to get some supplies, mainly 3/32 cable before too long.

Im taking a friends 11 year old grandson with me this Saturday. He is all into trapping and snaring, so Friday Im going to set a couple good runs I found yesterday. If we catch a dog Im sure he will be hooked for life....lol. h.h.

I took Sunday off from deer hunting since I was finally able to get the 4 wheeler through the snow. I drove every fence on our farm and the neighbors looking for fresh coyote sign. With the snow being on for more than two weeks, I thought I would be able to pinpoint the best "holes". I'm HAPPY to report, there is very little sign of coyotes moving though. There are some, as I have gotten them on the cams, and a few old tracks. Not near like it was last year though! I'll be ramping it up in the next couple weeks as they will be rutting.

I reset the snare today. With the rain coming in I rest a couple more thinking the rain will wash my scent away. h.h.

Looks good HH. The "ducking" stick is set perfect. PM sent.

Hey Yaz, thanks for the PM and info. Next roll of cable I get Im going to dye it. Most of my ground is old farm fence with many holes and a lot of the fence is down. The yotes come onto the property in many places so it makes fence setting kind of hard. I have better luck using deer runs or rabbit runs in the heavy brush. h.h.

Do any of you guys use the 1x19 1/16" cable for yotes. i have always used the 7x7 3/32" cable and have had a yote or 2 break or chew out. I know they would blend in better. Just wondering if the 1/16 would hold up on the yotes.

I have had two break aways with the 7x7 3/32"...... that I can remember. Both times was MY fault. One I gave them too long a snare, and he was able to run back and forth over a barbed wire until it frayed. I should have only given him about a foot of cable, and it wouldn't have been able to do that. Second time, i used a concrete block to fill/reduce a hole, and he wrapped the cable around it, and frayed it until it broke. Never had any other troubles. I believe a heavier or stiffer cable would be too slow to close, and cause more trouble than the occasional break offs.

Yaz, i had my first ever break off today and thats exactly what i did. I left way to much wire on the snare and he eventually broke it. Still kinda new to this, only caught 4 last year but am learning...ha. still find it hard to believe they don't choke themselves out before breaking the wire off.

Was on the snareshop web site and was looking at the coyote snares...so many to choose from...which one(s) are recommended for use here in Indiana...if I was to get 2 dozen...which model # ? Also, I have the F&T catalog, and they have a combo set with snares and supports/+DVD by Dakota Line called the Ghost Rider pkg $37.95. Dosnt look like they have the deer stop, but they can be purchased and I can put them on the snare....any suggestions....

I emailed the Snare Shop and this is what was recommended to me:

1. A kit to make my own: http://www.snareshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SPSUPERSP

2. already made models:
http://www.snareshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SNARE102
http://www.snareshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SNARE101

I am going to make my own since I just like doing that stuff and it will be cheaper.

I bought the 100 kit last night in 3/32 for yotes, came to 70.00 with shipping. I bought a dozen of them already made last year. If you set snares so the deer cant get caught then you dont need the deer stops. Read on the subject and you will see what I mean. h.h.

That's a pretty good deal HH. Is that bulk cable you cut yourself?

Yaz it says it comes with 500' of cable. I am guessing we cut it ourselves.

Thanks bean. For some reason I couldn't open the links. Now I can open them but the pictures don't open. Computer problems I guess.

Yaz, Yep you cut the cable yourself. I use a dremel with cutoff blade and vice which works pretty good. They send one put together so you can copy.

Spaeaking of backing out........they are absolutely whipping my arse this week. A group has moved in, and they were everywhere night before last. They would actually walk up to a snare set, and sit down. They would go down the fence, jump it, and walk back up and sit down and look at the snare from another perspective!!!!! This was on two different snares. A third, one walked up pranced around in the snow, and walked off. These snares are dyed black, and they may be picking them out in the white background. There can't be any odor on them. They been in place for weeks. I'm gonna have to do a better job of brushing them in to camo them up, or switch to un-dyed snares. Had one literally RUN into the wind to a dirt hole set. Got to three feet of the set, and put the brakes on, and actually skidded in the snow. Turned and walked off?????? This set had been in the ground for 5 days, and had some fresh snow over it. All the dumb ones have been caught, and this bunch has apparently seen it all, and are going to be tough to catch. May have to go to all blind, and scent post sets to catch them in the traps. They've been on dirtholes before, and know that game!!!!

LOL.....smart little critters arent they! I ran mine today and did see two sets of fresh tracks but none came close to the snares. Did catch something that I will post in the other thread...LOL h.h.

Yaz my dirt hole sets are having the same problem. They are coming to the back of my trap but not commiting to the trap. I enjoy the snow cause you can see what there doing but man its aggrivating knowing they are that close.

Your going to have to change the look of your dirt hole sets. Make the holes BIG, deep enough, and at a 60 degree angle, so they cannot see to the bottom of the hole. This will force them to come around to the front of the hole where the trap is to see whats in the bottom. If they see enough dirthole sets, they'll totally avoid them. Make some flat sets, and for this time of year when they are rutting, a good scent post set. Also, change your bait completely! If they keep smelling the same thing over and over again, they will loose interest. Don't get caught up in making all the same sets, and making them what the "book" says they should look like. Experiment with different things. Coyotes learn!!!! Believe me!!!!