Re: Another Record Harvest
#901
02/21/2013 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by SHINGLE MONKEY: What, more deer killed this year than last?
SO the herd is continuing to grow? No its not. Its getting smaller. Our DNR's model is based off of antlered deer harvest. They stated it was the lowest since 2000, indicating a shrinking herd. This year, you really can't use the overall numbers as an indicator with all the extra seasons, and weapons. How they REACT to the numbers, and adjust the bonus permits in individual counties will be interesting to see.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/21/2013 07:09 PM
02/21/2013 07:09 PM
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Does anyone have numbers from the counties of the numbers of deer /car accidents. I usually hear about several each year but none this year.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/21/2013 10:24 PM
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My county, Porter, was down 80 bucks as compared to 2011, and of course the Doe kill was up as I predicted it would be, but that is 'cause of the new late antlerless and crossguns and now the whole county is "urban"(still cant figure that one out)....with one person being able to kill 16 deer there is no place to go but down in herd numbers....just wait a handful of years and the damage will have been done...the population isnt growing, hunters are just able to kill more with various weapons and seasons and soon will hit rock bottom if they dont back off on their own 'cause I dont see the DNR doing it, not until the numbers drop to record low levels....
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 08:02 AM
02/22/2013 08:02 AM
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Saw 4 does opening day of gun. Never saw them again until all seasons were over. Never saw any bucks in daylight entire season. Never had a shot opportunity. No deer taken by me, two buddies that hunted with me, or guy hunting the adjacent property.
Guys I know who hunt the Deming and Sheridan areas had basically the same type of season.
Yet Hamilton County's bonus number has been pushed from 2 to 3 to 4 during the past several years.
Starting to remind me of the 70's... when you never saw any deer at all....
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 09:12 AM
02/22/2013 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by jkd: Saw 4 does opening day of gun. Never saw them again until all seasons were over. Never saw any bucks in daylight entire season. Never had a shot opportunity. No deer taken by me, two buddies that hunted with me, or guy hunting the adjacent property.
Guys I know who hunt the Deming and Sheridan areas had basically the same type of season.
Yet Hamilton County's bonus number has been pushed from 2 to 3 to 4 during the past several years.
Starting to remind me of the 70's... when you never saw any deer at all.... I primarily hunt in Washington and Orange counties. I saw quite a few deer this year but based on the kill data from 2011 & 2012 there were substantially more antlerless deer killed in both of these counties in 2012. Washington County....8 bonus Antlered kills up less than 1% +5 Antlerless kills up 17% +284 Orange County....4 bonus Antlered kills down 10% -83 Antlerless kills up 20% +250 Does anyone know how the DNR decides what bonus number to assign a county? And what does it take to lower that bonus number?
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 09:27 AM
02/22/2013 09:27 AM
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Complaints from farmers and accident reports and Ive heard say some input from the local CO's and region biologist....Heck, the only time the regions biologist was around here was back during the deer wars of the late '90's and early 2000's when he visited Beverly Shores....and to lower the #'s I have no Idea...do they really backtrack on the bonus numbers ??
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff Valovich: Complaints from farmers and accident reports and Ive heard say some input from the local CO's and region biologist....Heck, the only time the regions biologist was around here was back during the deer wars of the late '90's and early 2000's when he visited Beverly Shores....and to lower the #'s I have no Idea...do they really backtrack on the bonus numbers ?? I can't think of counties that were lowered...but I can't say with absolute certainty that it's never happened. I know the DNR wanted to lower herd numbers and as noted by the kill numbers it's obviously working.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 10:31 AM
02/22/2013 10:31 AM
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You guys do realize that some hunters actually hunt to eat and not care about horns right?
I killed 3 does and a buck this year and 3 more does were taken off the property.....those 7 deer are feeding several families.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 11:39 AM
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Take into consideration this year the DNR offered the bundle license of 1 buck and 2 doe. Guys buying this bundle arent going to eat a tag. In years past many bought a buck tag and one anterless tag and only took two deer. I think the increased anterless numbers are due to the additional anterless tag in the bundle tag. h.h.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by SHINGLE MONKEY: You guys do realize that some hunters actually hunt to eat and not care about horns right?
I killed 3 does and a buck this year and 3 more does were taken off the property.....those 7 deer are feeding several families. Of course I realize that many hunters hunt primarily for the meat and I totally appreciate that. Having said that, my curiosity over the number of bonus doe tags is based on not knowing how the numbers are set, and @ what point those numbers are lowered. Congrats on your season.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by jjas: Originally posted by Jeff Valovich: [b] Complaints from farmers and accident reports and Ive heard say some input from the local CO's and region biologist....Heck, the only time the regions biologist was around here was back during the deer wars of the late '90's and early 2000's when he visited Beverly Shores....and to lower the #'s I have no Idea...do they really backtrack on the bonus numbers ?? I can't think of counties that were lowered...but I can't say with absolute certainty that it's never happened.
I know the DNR wanted to lower herd numbers and as noted by the kill numbers it's obviously working. [/b]Pike county went from an 8 to a 3 after the 06 EHD outbreak. Still a 3 as of now thank God.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/22/2013 10:51 PM
02/22/2013 10:51 PM
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From the NWI Times(nwi.com)2-22-12 : Mitch Marcus a spokesman from DNR Division of Fish & Wildlife said, Harvest numbers show the new regulations are working with the Harvest numbers up 6 percent over 2011. Much of the increase has been with crossbows and Youth hunters. Despite the record harvest, deer numbers are down across the state. He said the number of antlered deer for the 2012 season is the lowest since 2000. Chad Stewart a deer management biologist for the DNR said that the lower buck kill shows the herd is smaller. ........
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/23/2013 10:27 AM
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Suppose to be 2-22-13...still living in the past ;0) ....
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/24/2013 05:21 AM
02/24/2013 05:21 AM
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Dumb! All of it. Numbers falling and kill rising, don't need 4 semesters of engineering calculus to figure that one out...
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/24/2013 11:03 AM
02/24/2013 11:03 AM
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Yea trad and Hanes may as well just open it yr round. Won't matter if ya manage your own property will it?
Tongue in cheek but ya see my point.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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02/24/2013 01:44 PM
02/24/2013 01:44 PM
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I find it hard to believe the harvest numbers.I am 58 years old and have hunted every year from the time I was 13.The past two years I did not bother to buy a gun tag.This past archery season I saw only 6 deer.
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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03/05/2013 11:46 AM
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Aren't we going to show an "increase" just by adding the new antlerless season? Logic tells me that if you increase the number of days people can hunt, there are going to be more deer killed than the year before... Duh!
We need less gun slaughter!!! I keep very detailed records and my number of deer sightings while hunting just continues to go down and down each year.
Just waiting for someone to say that the new WORLD RECORD was just killed in Indiana, therefore everything is perfect. I don't agree...
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Re: Another Record Harvest
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03/05/2013 10:08 PM
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Studies show once an area is shot out, deer do not fill in the void for some time....
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