so far, the Vertical bows lead the crossbow thingys .... 218-177 ...... a looong waaay to go ... I'm in no rush ... it will all depend on weather and temp's for me to get out once the regular season opens.. got 18 days vacation this year (Last week of Oct... 2nd week Nov, 9 days each session ..) I will say this is the first year in many seasons I am seeing more deer .. that is a good thing ..