Got a Survey from the DNR today looks like they are taking a Proactive role Not waiting for us to come to them they are coming to us ,A Good thing Imo The survey covers all aspects of the sport Thumbs up to Chad and the DNR

If you can post up a copy....thanks

It would be interesting to know how many were sent out, and to what type of license holders. Ie. Lifetime, landowner, etc.

This is not official by any means, but as far as I've been able to tell over the years, they don't send the surveys to license-exempt landowners. Only to annual license buyers, and LTL holders. If that's correct, it would exclude a very large segment of the hunting demographic.

With tele-check in use, they should have an ample supply of license-exempt names/addresses.

I received one today also..I'm a LTL holder!

What'd I tell you all.....

Lesson #1 the IDNR learned from the Prop 1.0 and 2.0 fallout......WHEN YOU WANT SECURE FEEDBACK, YOU MAIL IT TO OUR HOMES!!! What hunters REALLY want will now be heard!! The Prop 2.0 proponents abused the unsecure system that then undermined the IDNR.

Never Again.......with decisions/changes that matter.....

Gotta Love It.....

Kinda reminds me of the days the OBR was being discussed. If you would have listend to Woody's gang of a "few" and his/their "chatter" you would have thought 99% of the deer hunters would not want an OBR.....but once the SECURE SURVEYS went out....70% of the hunters wanted the OBR. And the little man raged about it for 10 more years....only to see it go permanent in the end....LOL!!!

And Woody sends me hateful little PM's telling me I stink at predicting the future. LOL!!!!!! If he only knew.... He rode his "one trick pony" into the sunset.....and that sunset is now LONG GONE.

Said I was Selected at Random... With that I would think they are trying to get the real Picture and not just the Rants ofa few. I am a LTL and a landowner. I answered Honestly, You might not like what you hear when the survey Responces cant be flooded with input from just one group

You bet I will like it. My gripe from DAY ONE the last "go around" was that unsecure methods were being used to represent what the average deer hunter wanted.

Let the chips fall where they may........but let the chips fall SECURELY!!!!

New Day is upon us.......and THIS method is good. This is Theeeee EXACT method we proposed to a Senator with IDNR Brass at the table a few years back in Indy when we saw what was being done with Prop #1. There were no heads nodding "no" to our idea for more secure feedback at that table and in that meeting.

And Walllaaaaa........it is here......

Right now the advocates that force Prop 2.0 upon deer hunters AND our IDNR are totally FREAKING OUT that the IDNR is going to this more SECURE method. They do NOT want this to happen.....they do not want REAL unmanipulated data exposed........even though their signature line in every post here says ......"data, there is no substitute"....LOL!!!!!!!!!!! (But I'm sure that "signature line" will be disappearing quickly....LMAO!!)

I'm glad they are doing it this way.....I looked through the comments last time and there were so many from the same people it was ridiculous.....

Hey jjas.........what happened to your signature line that used to say " data, there is no substitute" ...............LOL!!!!!!!!!! :p

Dew.....your a cyber bully....get a life!

"I never give them H E L L.
I just tell the truth and they think it's H E L L."
-----"Harry S. Truman"

Or at least be diplomatic......you are always trying to entice arguments etc. Go do it on your on site and quit ruining this one!

Entice an arguement??

If someone wants to get in an arguement that they don't want secure feedback given to the IDNR.....yep, I'll stand up and point my finger at them and paint them for the true color that they are and represent. I have ZERO problem doing that.......I don't do the "door mat thing" real well.....

Lol...I see...but man....I'm all for different ideas etc......you highjack a thread and start bringing up stuff to get rises out of people! I like ideas and solutions....just think you need to back off of it sometimes!

+1

Keep in mind that of the 1,000's on this site.....it's simply the same few I get a "rise" out of. I just feel it's VERY applicable to this type of thread that the history we just went through......has brought about more SECURE feedback. The ones that set that stage need to read what they now have "reaped" for what they "sewed".....

.....and I have ZERO empathy for those that now grind their teeth for the bed they made for themselves.

My posts are not directed at you Dawnpatrol.....just sayin'...

Problem is you're always sayin


Lol

How is your own site dewing, lots of discussions over there?

Right now the advocates that force Prop 2.0 upon deer hunters AND our IDNR are totally FREAKING OUT that the IDNR is going to this more SECURE method. They do NOT want this to happen.....they do not want REAL unmanipulated data exposed.

IDNR Freaking out That The IDNR is doing this They dont want this to happen,, DEW the survey came from the IDNR, They The IDNR sent it to me and yet you say they dont want this to happen Do you have any Idea How ignorant these commits sound ??

As I was saying....

I'd be absolutely thrilled if the DNR wanted to try and implement a more secure survey.

I know for a fact that in the past, there were instances of the same person posting similar comments under multiple names and IP addresses.

Random selection surveys mailed directly to deer hunters was the IDNR's data collection process for many years....prior to the internet.

A former director once told me the internet would be the end of wild game management as we know it. He was right. Maybe this is a sign the new regime has learned from their mistakes?

Exactly...and they have also been doing this in the internet era.

There was also "FACE TO FACE" input given on prop 1. The DNR set up and had meetings around the state the Sportsman Round Table also did the same.

Did you guys know american idol is on?? yawn...

CJ,s The Man

I received one today and am a landowner, however, I purchased the bundle license also. I though the survey touched on all the issues in a concise way. The IDNR catches a lot of flack, but if there are any on here I would thank them. If we put ourselves in their shoes, it is a truly daunting task to try to please meat hunters, trophy hunters, farmers, insurance cos., with one set of rules. I found myself filling it out as a trophy hunter, but then again, I'm just happy to be in the woods. Our perception becomes our reality, but that doesn't necessarily make it truth.

No I didn't.... That's ok though, AI has outlived itself and should have been canceled years ago...

Yeah....my wife's watching it! I'm watching lindner's angling edge!

THROBAK,

The DNR conducts these deer hunter surveys every few years. Contrary to what some want others to believe they are absolutely nothing new.

See..
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3352.htm

Under wildlife Click on search reports and type in deer hunter and see that these deer hunter surveys go back into at least the 1980s.

If I'm reading the list correctly, it appears the last deer hunter survey was in 2010....four years ago.

Point is...one heck of alot happened in that four years....and suspect internet feedback (to say the least) played a key role in the outcome.

The survey reflects that in the Questions

Looks like these surveys are more SOP than I realized.....1987, 1988, 1989, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2004, 2007, 2010.....Interesting.

I got one-read selection was random. I am a lifetime license holder, not happy with their management techniques and I will gladly tell them so!

I have NEVER received a deer survey. I have gotten a couple on small game, and fur bearers over the years.

30+ years of deer hunting and buying Indiana licenses and Ive never seen a survey.... of anything ....

I got one in the mail also. I will be submitting it with my feedback. I am a LTL holder.

LTL and land owner and never received a survey other than the bow hunter survey I volunteered for several years ago. h.h.

LTL holder and received one, heck I thought I was banned from surveys years ago.

Gave them my feedback....

Wouldn't it be interesting to conduct the same survey here using the same questions and then compare with the findings from the DNR ?

Just copied and pasted a new thread about it....