[NRC] "One Buck Rule" Public Hearing

[NRC] "One Buck Rule" Public Hearing

Date & Time
5/3/2012
6:00 PM

Description
Notice is hereby given that on May 3, 2012 at 6:00 pm, at the Plainfield Public Library, 1120 Stafford Road, Plainfield, Indiana.
 
A public hearing on proposed amendments to 312 IAC 9-3-2, which provides general requirements and licenses for hunting deer, to remove the expiration language to continue the requirement that an individual must not take more than one antlered deer during the special youth, archery, firearm, or muzzleloader seasons.  

Contact Information
Jennifer Kane
nrcrules@nrc.in.gov
317-232-4600

Hope this dosnt happen...keep the OBR !! Where can you send comments....

The rule change is just to remove sunset language, not get rid of OBR.

Send your comments to Jennifer Kane, DNR is required to have one public meeting on any rule change, this appears to be it.

I'll be there in support of the rule, don't expect too many folks to attend.

You may also give input on the OBR at...

http://www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm

Gave my 4 cents worth ..... ;0) Thanks

I already knew about the meeting and where to give comment however I do appreciate the fact time was taken to post the info here in pure form.
I recieved a mass email from woody as well with the exact same information...But he had to add his own two cents in order to amass the sheep to fall in line... Tasteless really.. Just put the info out and let it go at that and people will form thier own opinions. Id post post this over there but since I dont agree with him and stay in step with the regime im not allowed to do so.. I know he lurks here so I hope he gets it!

Woody thanks for sending out mass emails out on important issues and important dates.

Please Stop adding your two cents....people really can think for themseleves


My two cents.........long live OBR!

Ps... Please unsubscribe me from your propaganda email list

How can anybody that was in favor of the last round of deer proposals, which was SUPPOSE to be about antlerless deer reduction, be in favor of a statewide two buck rule?????????? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Ummmm...ya think??

2 Bucks is horn porn at its worst....

yawn...SOS different day

it is pretty simple,Woody knows without some huge movement the OBR is here to stay. He has posted that Chad Stewart wants to do a 3-5 year test study, that is a lie, Chad has never requested that. Woody wants the study for a couple of reasons.

1. He is over 70 and knows his hunting days are numbered.

2. He knows IDNR is going to telechek and away from a physical check in. With telechek there is NO WAY to gather data. You can't use military and refuge data, that is already a "second buck".

It just goes to show that he has no regard for management, it is all about antlers and maximum opportunity, maximum opportunity.....to kill male deer with antlers.

Horn porn at its best!

I'm confident that IDNR and the NRC know the direction we need to go.

If he likes Illinois so much........move there and become a resident. He's working hard for crossbow there........lol

If he wants to kill an additional buck that darn bad then why doesn't he just put in for draw hunts?

Einstein at work........lol.... and he thinks OBR dudes are horn hungry..........

You have to look at his "long term" motive, it goes back to crossbow, he now can hunt with it everyday the season is open. He could with a two buck rule have at least 34 dyas to hunt with a gun for a buck. He wont hunt a reduction hunt as an alternative, he only gets a couple days there.

This is all about his need to take antlered deer, he openly states he lets others take the antlerless deer, they aren't a challenge for him....

Folks, please go to the Deer Hunting forum and read the report from Dr Kroll on what has happened with landowners as well as hunters opinions of DNR in Wisconsin. It is a 186 page report but in the first twenty or so pages you will see a stark comparison to Indiana! Only difference we don't have CWD yet.

I think we will see major changes in the next couple of years in Wisconsin...... can you say OBR...........

If you are going to bad mouth Woody you should get your facts straight. Woody has a handicap permit and he does hunt park hunts. h.h

I dont know a single.person that has ever been against the handicapped from hunting with an x_bow.. Self included... To try and spin that one is bs....thats not his agenda.... It shows every day

HornHarvester:

Woody has hunted ONE (1) park hunt in the past five years, Prophetstown, and it was the first it had been hunted and a buck known as "big red" if I recall the name correct........ He does not regularly hunt parks and you know that.

Here is another fact....... Woody does not consume deer meat! He kills them and gives the meat away............ In other words he just hunts for antlers so he can show pictures and brag. Horn porn, uh huh.

I had some meat I would have given Woodrow last Monday.....

He wouldn't have been able to "taste" the difference...............lol.

Antlers are the only thing he has "taste" for.

Here is Woody's personal comment, of course he is trying to influence comment(which he claims he never does).............

PERSONALLY - I am with the 56% that were surveyed by Responsive Management that would like to see a modern day 3 year two buck study to see if the OBR has really made a significant impact or is the number and size of the buck we are seeing coming from an aging and more selective deer hunter group.
>
> Let's end this debate by making deer management decisions based on sound biological data rather than emotions.
>
> WW


Woody, Woody, Woody....... Please link folks to where "our" deer biologist EVER requested a test period...........He didn't!

Deer management isn't about biology at this point and to request it is simply goofy. Heck, the crossbow wasn't about biology so why would he have pushed for it do much.

Joe,

Woody and you have fought over the OBR just like you did the crossbow. Woody is for more hunter opportunity and you are for less hunter opportunity which equals more bucks being saved.

There was almost zero opposition to the OBR when you pushed it though. At that time the public knew very little about the OBR and it cake walked its way into a trial period.

Dr Mitchell said the OBR was a social issue and nothing would change but a shift in harvest numbers and he was right.

If the OBR is the real buck producer like you are saying why not have the 3 year trial period and see? Past figures suggest only around 6,000 addiction bucks a year would be taken. Thats only around 60 deer per county.

The current license structure was based on two bucks a year and should be changed if the OBR is made into law.

To me the DNR wanting the OBR made permanent without a 3 year trial is "throwing the dog a bone" trying to mend fences with the stakeholders.

Ive been against the OBR from the start and still am but according to the surveys the majority of Indiana hunters want it, so majority rules. h.h.

Here it comes.......just wait for it......

HH. How many years did they have a TBR?

Rofl!!!!!!....folks we have a winner.
The science is proven... Einstien doesnt like the results and wants to call a do over..lol

Please read the last sentence..... I dont care on what the DNR does.......now flame on....h.h.

One buck does not decrease hunter opportunity. There is no one that fills every tag that they could fill in Indiana. Sorry, but anyone that's says one buck deceases opportunity or adding another buck or doe increases opportunity is wrong. V

Amen.... Best statement in the thread

Try and tell that to the people who put on the park hunts and see what they tell you.....h.h.

HH, I don't really care what the park folks would tell me. Anyone that solely defines opportunity as a "buck" is then misguided as to what a deer is and what deer hunting is. I understand your general point, but the reality is that there is literally daily opportunity now and adding another buck is not more opportunity.

I do hope that the thread can remain civil. There are a lot of varying opinions on OBR and that is what they are, opinions. Everyone would like to influence everyone else to their way of thinking, but that isn't going to happen either. So, I would suggest that we leave personal references out and instead everyone speak to your own personal view or "facts" (LOL), as you know them. He said, she said if of no value and simply will create emotions that are detrimental to the conversation. I don't really care what other websites do and allow and instead prefer to try to keep this site as the most civil, open minded, opinion welcoming site there is related to deer hunting.

I could give a rats rear end what the majority of hunters WANT!.....most bird hunters didnt want grouse seasons drastictly reduced but science proved we needed to do it....

Ill go with proven data everytime..einstiens spin on the theory of reality doesnt fly...oi

I was only trying to point out to Joe that his statement about WW is only half true. I really dont care if the OBR is made into law but as I stated earlier if it is then the license structure needs to change also. The current license system was designed for two bucks. Either make a buck tag good for all seasons or make the bow hunters buy a buck only tag like the gun hunters do. h.h.

HH They just changed the license structure you can buy a buck tag and two doe tags that are good for ALL seasons. Those who choose to only buck hunt have to buy that license or the three individual licenses should they hunt all seasons. seems more than fair to me, ya gotta pay to play. All about the revenue........not deer management.

HH:

"There was almost zero opposition to the OBR when you pushed it though. At that time the public knew very little about the OBR and it cake walked its way into a trial period. "

WRONG sir, it took three administrative rule change periods, SIX(6) years. When public numbers could no longer be stifled Jim Mitchell was forced to change it. That is FACT that can not be denied.

"Dr Mitchell said the OBR was a social issue and nothing would change but a shift in harvest numbers and he was right."

If all you count is dead deer then he was right. Jim Mitchell also said the 1 1/2 year old harvest would NEVER remain below 52%, I guesss he missed that one by a mile! Hovers at 40%, cvorrect.

"If the OBR is the real buck producer like you are saying why not have the 3 year trial period and see? Past figures suggest only around 6,000 addiction bucks a year would be taken. Thats only around 60 deer per county. "

Ahh......... you have to factor in all the recent changes that increased hunter participation. PCRs, youth seasons, crossbow, none of the data would be valid. NOW throw in telechek and there will be NO physical checks.No data collected, just he said she said.... also remeber DNR said the herd is growing, more bucks out there so again flawed data. Finally, why would anyone want to go back to a process that was designed to grow the herd by putting most of the pressure on bucks?


"The current license structure was based on two bucks a year and should be changed if the OBR is made into law."

Not at all, again you have the opportunity to purchase the all season license that includes one buck and two antlerless tags. Or you can buy a buck tag for each season should you only want to hunt antlers, seems very fair to me! Woody doesn't have ANY problem going to Illinois at 500.00 per buck tag, let him do that.

"To me the DNR wanting the OBR made permanent without a 3 year trial is "throwing the dog a bone" trying to mend fences with the stakeholders."


We don't need fences mended, they do as they wish as you will soon see.

Finally HH, You or Woody please point folks here where Chad Stewart EVER requested a three year trial in Administrative rules, and where he requested an Earn A Buck program. You folks have twisted his words and the survey to fit your agenda.

The DNR Division of Fish & Wildlife (DFW) recently honored employees Chad Stewart, Brian Cripe, Susan Pierce and Randy Lang for excellence in job performance in 2011.

Stewart, from Spencer, DFW’s statewide deer management biologist, won the Biologist of the Year award. His work with Indiana’s sportsmen, communities, citizens, landowners and DFW staff resulted in the new administrative rules for deer hunting. Stewart also helped develop the GiveIN Game program, which enables hunters to connect with people wanting venison. Stewart is a five-year employee of the DFW and is stationed in Bloomington.


Congrats, Chad. You earned your paycheck this week!!!!

HatchetJack

Good post Jack. Congrats to Chad for the award and putting up Indiana deer hunters.

Chad deserves a nomination for sainthood after putting up with the crap he's had to for the last couple of years.....

hats off to Chad well deserved congrats to ya

No different than what the OBR supporters want me to believe. Besides it wasnt a rule change it was a trial period. And again, I dont care what the DNR does with the OBR. h.h.

Bump...... Few more days until meeting!!!!

Not even going to waste the gas on this one