Canned hunting bill should be canned for good

What may happen on Monday at the Indiana General Assembly won’t be one of those corny gotcha April 1 jokes. You know, like the old “Hey, look, your shoestring’s untied.”


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013303290060

Guess it's time to quit. The amended SB487 passed the committee this morning by a 6-2 vote. This is not an April Fool. Everyone needs to contact his representative and senator in the Indiana legislature and get them to vote this bill down right away.

Jack

Dam...... i needed another thing to do today....ok... illl do what i can!

Ill put a high fence in and sue the state then!!!!!!... this is completely insane... bought votes .. then again thats politics..

Called the Gov. Today.. i was aboit as nice about it as i could be ..in other words i was blunt!.. they said i could expect a return call very soon.......

Again... will someone tell me why we even have a dnr if their hands are tied?

Didn't I count 13 names on the committee list ? Who didn't show up and how did the others vote?

Saunders and Arnold voted no. The rest ducked out of the vote or voted yes. Neither Arnold nor Saunders received money from the deer farmers:

http://campaignfinance.in.gov/PublicSite/SearchPages/FilingDetail.aspx?FilingID=49177

Watch Channel 13 WTHR @ 6 PM tonight.

Jack

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...amendment-passes-Indiana-House-committee

So much for Rep. Pelath's support.... :rolleyes:

Good for Saunders. He's from my area. So 5 members of the committee failed to register a vote on the amendment. That is soooo sorry.

Ive been so out od the loop in the last six months its unreal.. havent been to many meetings or anything else... my bad. Just no time..

Thanks to so many for your relentless efforts .. perhaps things will calm down soon and i will try to learn/help more..

Here is the newly amended bill:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/PDF/HCRF/CR048701.001.pdf

I've only read this once but the season is from August 15-Feb 15. Guess they want to sell those deer in velvet. Oh, and there's no bag limit. I guess you shoot until you run out money. Also appears you could gun or bow hunt anytime.

Remember that the original bill passed the Senate 48-0. Need every legislator contacted and asked to vote against this mess. Rep. Saunders mentioned being approached at a gas station and Wal-mart back home and asked to vote against this which he did. Contact your legislators today.

Voting for was Eberhart, Ubelhor, Morris, Morrison, Heaton, and Kirchhofer.

Those testifying for the bill was Indiana Farm Bureau, North American Deer and Elk Farmers member and Vet from Illinois. A lobbiest and swine vet for the Purdue veternarin science. Mr. Bell a Deer Farmer how was featured on Channel 13 who wants in the the hunting but stopped after the ban. Of course the biggest advocates in the room were those legislators on the committee.

What is really clear through all of this is that many legislators have no fear of respect for sportsmen and the DNR. It is all about business

This is exactly what should be expected from a ultra conservative state.

Come on dave.... that flys both ways on several issues..

Some Keith, but when you consider this is almost a property rights thing, it makes sense. Now, yes, on many other issues, liberals states do stupid things also.

Old video but it still reflects the TRUTH....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbcZQ52lAs

If this is a property rights issue i should be able to charge people to dump PCB transformers on my property. Who cares if i comtaminate thousands of citizens drinking water as long as i keep the transformers inside my fence. I am all for private property unless it infringes on the masses rights. CWD will infringe on all hunters and wildlife watchers. We must unite to kill this

I got anorher call from back from the governors office... she asked a few more questions and said my message would be noted ..... in other words nothing!!!... anybody got his personal cell number?..lol...

I got anorher call from back from the governors office... she asked a few more questions and said my message would be noted ..... in other words nothing!!!... anybody got his personal cell number?..lol...

Call Senator Steele and tell him to get that s@$t off his bill or you won't support it.

I tried
.. letters to the bloomington paper about this will stir the dust

Can the senate take this amendment off their bill ? Doesn't the house have to vote on the bill first? Can someone tell me how this works? Its' been 37 years since I've had Civics.

Red, yes and yes. This issue was amended into another bill and if/when the House passes it, it will go back to the Senate for approval. But, the Senate and the bill's sponsor in the Senate will have to approve the added language, which they may decide not to do.

I still maintain the best option is to stop it at the House vote on Friday. Everyone contact as many legislators as possible.

My Rep will be in VeVay at 11:00 Sat. He is going to hear from me . OOPS Sat will be too late BUTTTT, I will find out how he Voted. our senator will be there also they have both heard from me in E-Mails

Looks like the bill won't get to the floor of the House until Monday so get to your rep on Saturday if you can.

Called my representative and a few others for good measure.

Good deal Jack ::: any one going to be at Cedar Branch this wk end Joe ?? 10 mins away at the Switzerland Co, fair grounds

Why debate over fenced hunting is important to have

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130403/EDITORIAL/130409897/1015

May need to make a trip to the farm Dale!

If David Long gets this done over the Governor's wishes we owe him big time:

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...-he-ll-kill-high-fence-hunting-amendment

Jack

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic!

Great News.....

Good article....love to see 'em all go away for good...

If Davisd Long gets it done watch next year, the deer industry will try to buy him off as they have others.

Since 1999 all the groups in Indiana have constantly on the defense, I think now is the time to go on offence. Time to protect our wild herd, and as there is no state or federal money available for clean up should CWD be found in a captive herd, write new rules that owners of domestic cervids need to carry insurance on their property to cover cleanup and depopulation expences.

Look at Wisconsin who has spent over 50 million dollars. They had to pay to depopulate the farm that had CWD, bought the farm at $400,000.00, double fence said farm AND try to contain CWD in the wild herd. Indiana does not have the money, the Feds have discontinued any funding for CWD.

IMO, if you want to "farm" deer, or shoot domestic deer you as an owner operator should cover any costs associated with your business. That includes cleaning up the mess CWD brings.

Well said Joe. Let private enterprise be responsible for it's actions and consequences.

AMEN!!!!!!! I have to pay insurance in case MY livestock gets out, and causes an accident, or does crop damage to a neighbors farm, or any other kind of damage. THEY SHOULD TOO! BUT, that is still not a reason to let it happen.

BTW- We all should send thanks NOW to David Long to let him know TRUE sportsmen support, and appreciate what he is trying to do!!!!

Is this Bill "dead" for this year now?????

Seen rumor of this on another form.

I never count the deer farmers out until the session is over. Right now the amended bill is on the House schedule to be voted on Monday.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/reports/2013/BCALH.PDF

Senator Long controls much of what occurs in the Senate and I believe he can stop this amended bill from being heard or strip the amendment off and send it back to the House. Senator Steele can also decline to have the amendment attached to the bill and kill it that way.

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...h-fence-hunting-amendment?nclick_check=1

But I'll believe it when it happens.

Jack

If the bill is killed.....

1. That stops any new hunting preserves from opening, correct?

2. Does it also keep the 5 that exist from operating?

3. What effect (if any) does it have on the 400 deer farms that exist in the state?

Just looking for some clarification.

If the bill is killed:

1. The bill doesn't stop new deer hunting preserves from being opened but the DNR rule, which is under legal contest, does stop new ones from opening at this point until the lawsuit is resolved or decided, I believe.
2. The five will continue to be able to operate under the situation with the lawsuit.
3. The deer farms will continue to be allowed to operate under various existing rules and the direction of the Board of Animal Health.

jjas....if the Bill is/was PASSED it also stopped any new hunting preserves from opening!!!

The DEER farms look to always gonna be here or until they bring in CWD

I was told By my Senator and House rep 1 hr ago that this WILL NOT pass

I am not taking any chances. I have contacted my legislators again as well as the governor. I would encourage each of you who read this thread to do the same as well as encourage others to contact their legislators as well. It's not really that hard to do. Every contact consisted of a civil message but pointed enough as to not leave any room for misinterpretation......

Sitting here watching the House debate bills. SB487 should be up in the next half-hour...

http://www.in.gov/legislative/2441.htm

Jack

Thanks Jack. Let us know.

The bill as amended plus new amendments has passed second reading in the House and ordered to engrossment.

It's now up to Senator Long to kill it.

Jack

They finally posted the info you asked about. Odd that all the Dems and 1 Republican ducked the meeting:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/PDF/Hrollcal/8039.PDF.pdf

How do we contact Senator Long ?

Here you go.....

http://www.in.gov/legislative/senate_republicans/homepages/s16/index.htm

The bill as amended today will be voted on tomorrow afternoon. You can watch on line by going to the general assembly website and clicking the link.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/2441.htm

Here's the new engrossed bill:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/ES/ES0487.2.html

I read a news piece on the internet that Long said the bill would be DOA in the Senate...

Watching the Indiana House in action is akin to watching paint dry...

http://www.in.gov/legislative/2441.htm

Jack

Sorry I haven't been around... I too am watching paint dry. Ugh

Watching it some. What is the staus of the bill? Has it been voted on yet?

The bill was called for a vote today and Rep Lehe passed on a vote........

People ARE making a difference, if the Republicans had the votes today they would have moved it forward.

Folks keep up the pressure, get everyone you know to make calls and emails.

I talked to my Rep on Monday, YES,he called me back, he said this has been his number 1 comment topic over the past two weeks.

"WE" are making a difference! Call again, call for the first time, get family and friends to call...........

Heard from a reliable source Rob Carter is resigning as Director of IDNR, as well as another hold over from Mitch, AND an appointee of Pence.

Some R's are not on board with Pence positions, about to be a "rocky road" and I aint talkin ice cream.........

http://www.hoosierhunting.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/15/714.html

It's on the schedule for tomorrow...again.

I'm on the road .. where do we stand now..

They recessed until 2:30 PM...

The way they are going they won't hear SB487 until Monday...maybe.

Adjourned until Monday...I'm guessing they won't get to SB487 until Monday afternoon.

Jack

recessed until Monday. Jack are you there or are you watching it online. I struggled to stay focused....

I was watching on-line while doing other things like getting ready for turkey season.

If I had gone down there I would have spent $50 in gas and parking the past 3 days. Thank goodness for the webcasts.

Jack

That is what I did as well. First time I have watched really. It was very interesting. From a lady singing to some debating. Is there a bill itenerary or do they just go with whatever?

There's a floor calendar but they rarely follow it exactly. By the way Monday is the last day for bills on third reading. If it doesn't get out of the House by the close of business Monday it is done for the year.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/reports/2013/BCALH.PDF

I've been told the original portion of the bill having nothing to do with high fence deer hunting may be amended onto HB1563 which is the DNR omnibus bill. If true that would give Sen. Steele a way to get his bird preserve buddy what he wanted without having to support the high fence guys publicly.

Jack

P.S. The singing legislature was a hoot. Go to about 58:16 - 60.00 in session 2 of April 11 and enjoy.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/house_republicans/webcast/R-chive2013.html

Watched when I got home today.... isn't it interesting how the House Dems are having their Azz handed to them?

I find it embarrassing that we have a government this disfuntional.......Not really, same as the Feds!

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130413/NEWS05/304130027/1001/NEWS

Stay strong Mr.long!

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...-republican-keeps-aim-high-fence-hunting

I was working at church this morning did anyone watch and see if they got to SB487 yet? I did see they are coming back at 2:00 PM to continue the calendar.

Jack

first up at 2 SB487

Restarted at about 3 PM...SB487 no where in sight yet...

Here we go...

Not surprizingly SB487 passed 52-39...

Passed! I really am amazed at all the untruth spouted by those who commented.

Go to 2:36-3:02 and listen to baldface lies:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/house_republicans/webcast/R-chive2013.html

Better hope Senator Long can keep his word.

Jack

I'm proud that my legislator voted against SB487. How did yours vote?

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/PDF/Hrollcal/0495.PDF.pdf

Jack

Mine voted no. Hamm

Mine was a no Moenm thanks to ALL who contacted their Reps. Republican or Dem remember when it comes elestion time how your Rep voted.

Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said the Senate author will dissent on the bill in order to remove the language...

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130416/NEWS07/304169937/1002/LOCAL

If Steele in fact dissents it would be a first on him not supporting high fence hunting! We will take it though!

Do we continue to contact Senator Long and what about Senator Steele?

Don't slow up on contacting people, Thank Senator Long for his support. Senator Steele, ask him to please strip the ammendment as well as your Senator, and PLEASE continue to contact the governor. I don't trust him on this issue at all.

When HatchetJack has concerns I follow his lead!

Senator Steele has filed dissent on SB487, we will see where it goes from here...

Bill sent to conference committee - some Senators assigned appear to have received money from deer farmers:

LEGISLATION: SB 0487
DESCRIPTION: Shooting and hunting preserves.
LAST ACTION: Senate advisor appointed: Waterman and Hume


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LEGISLATION: SB 0487
DESCRIPTION: Shooting and hunting preserves.
LAST ACTION: Senate conferee appointed: Steele and R. Young

House appointees to Conference Committee:


04/18/2013

House conferees appointed: Lehe and Kersey

04/18/2013

House advisors appointed: Ubelhor, Eberhart, Dvorak and Stemler

As with the Senate some Representatives have received contributions from INDEF.

My head hurts...

I am told Senator Steele WILL NOT call the conference committee to a meeting, thus the bill and ammendment dies!

He did present a VERY applicable question as to the future of this issue. No hints or discussion at this time, the opposition watches this site.

We have a plan to address high fence hunting it begins as soon as the present session ends. No longer will sportsmen be on defense...........

That's great news....

So if the opposition "watches" this site this is an open question I would like for them to answer....

If your so called industry is such the "big rural economic boost" you claim it is, then why don't you put the numbers up then for all of us to see? Exactly how much have you improved your communities economies?.

My opinion is this (and strictly mine alone)... The only "economic boost" you are providing is your own back pocket otherwise, everyone would be doing it. All you are doing is feeding a bunch of lies and paying a bunch of naive legislators to believe you. Well we know the truth and we are not going back down and let you ruin our deer herd with your domesticated deer that we all know is not REAL HUNTING....

That's good news Joe!

So where do we go from here?

There is a plan in the works for next year, it will be in the reserved forum soon. accesss will be restricted, to those who want this to end!

Sent ya some mail

about time that forum got put back into use

Long: Fenced deer hunting bill dead for the session

INDIANAPOLIS – The Senate leader said Wednesday that a bill to legalize five fenced deer-hunting preserves is essentially dead for the session.

Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said he wants to let the courts decide whether the preserves – which the state has been trying to close since 2005 – can remain open.

“Just go ahead, give us the decision and we’ll live with it,” Long said.

http://thestatehousefile.com/long-fenced-deer-hunting-bill-dead-for-the-session/11130/