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someone is always looking to skirt the regulations.....

Posted By: 76chevy

someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 10/31/2015 09:36 AM

this appears to be IN legal for deer season with the .300 blackout and other rifle calibers in a AR pistol...

It is not a "shoulder mounted" device for a pistol.
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Posted By: js2397

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 10/31/2015 11:23 AM

The batfe has already ruled on it and said it is legal.
Posted By: trapperDave

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 10/31/2015 12:25 PM

Try hitting something with it....
Posted By: jjas

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 10/31/2015 12:31 PM

Indiana's firearms regs are so goofy...

That is legal, while a bolt action rifle in the same caliber would not be...

Likely won't change, but it never will make sense to me....
Posted By: DFA

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 08:54 AM

76 Chevy or JS2397 Can you send me the regs on that gun where it says it is legal etc? Also your picture did not populate on my screen for some reason. I'd like to see where it is legal.

I believe you but just want the regs!

Thanks guys, noww back to knocking out this work so I can get in a tree this week!
Posted By: jjas

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 09:25 AM

From Indiana regs... http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-seasons-licenses-equipment/

Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted. The handgun must not be a rifle that has a barrel less than 18 inches or be designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder.

Bullet diameter‎: ‎0.308 in (7.8 mm)
Case length‎: ‎1.368 in (34.7 mm)

It appears this firearm meets the reg requirements for a legal deer hunting handgun in the state of Indiana.

BTW, this exact question was asked on another forum of a conservation officer and that officer agreed the firearm was legal.
Posted By: 76chevy

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 09:25 AM

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/proshop/product/SB15-Detail.jpg

It is Not "shoulder mounted"

Not saying I would ever think about using it or anything like this to hunt with...just saw it and wanted to share it. Shaking my head about some of the stuff people come up with...

"Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted. The handgun must not be a rifle that has a barrel less than 18 inches or be designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder."
Posted By: 76chevy

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 09:27 AM

I for one won't be trying to hit anything with a contraption like this....

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Originally posted by trapperDave:
Try hitting something with it....
Posted By: 76chevy

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 09:30 AM

No kidding. I have a couple guns similar to these, both shoot the SAME ROUND.

One is IN legal to hunt deer with. One is not. Only in Indiana!

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Originally posted by jjas:
Indiana's firearms regs are so goofy...

That is legal, while a bolt action rifle in the same caliber would not be...

Likely won't change, but it never will make sense to me....
Posted By: js2397

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 10:17 AM

http://guns.buzz/2015/01/17/atf-rev...s-making-thousands-of-gun-owners-felons/
Posted By: Stinger

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 11:30 AM

Indiana needs to get with the program and at least make rifles legal in less populated counties. I have driven from the region to delaware county over 200 times 65-26-69 and there is nothing there outside of Lake county but the occasional farm house and crops.

Marion County and Lake county are populated... maybe fortwayne (whatever county that is in). Everything else is farms.

Easily, rifles may be allowed .243 and above when elevated at least 8 feet in a tree stand and must be 25 meters from a standing structure (home, business, barn)... easily implemented. 30-30 should be allowed, even though it doesn't kill as well as a 30-06.

Same stupid laws as no alcohol from a store on Sunday. Ignorance.
Posted By: Bryan78

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/02/2015 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Stinger:
Indiana needs to get with the program and at least make rifles legal in less populated counties. I have driven from the region to delaware county over 200 times 65-26-69 and there is nothing there outside of Lake county but the occasional farm house and crops.

Marion County and Lake county are populated... maybe fortwayne (whatever county that is in). Everything else is farms.

Easily, rifles may be allowed .243 and above when elevated at least 8 feet in a tree stand and must be 25 meters from a standing structure (home, business, barn)... easily implemented. 30-30 should be allowed, even though it doesn't kill as well as a 30-06.

Same stupid laws as no alcohol from a store on Sunday. Ignorance.
I disagree... I understand your argument but either make it legal for all or none... A patchwork of legal here but illegal over there will cause nothing but confusion and aggravation for both hunter and CO's alike besides it makes for bad public policy... Uniform rules is the best policy and they way to go...

Personally, I wish they would banned all rifle cartridges only because they can't be used in ALL weapons... Allowing a cartridge in a handgun but not a rifle makes no sense to me whatsoever...

And Ft.Wayne is in Allen County...
Posted By: 76chevy

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/03/2015 06:20 AM

Right now we have different regulations for various regions, deer reduction zones, municipalities which don't allow firearms, etc.

No big deal to me, I hunt with what is legal. I will be hunting with my .243 pistol this year. With ear protection this thing is a blast to shoot and the accuracy of this round continues to amaze me.
Posted By: John Scifres

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/03/2015 08:21 AM

I agree that centerfire rifles (shoulder mounted) should be allowed. But there are many populated areas throughout the state. Columbus, Seymour, Greencastle, Greenfield, Shelbyville, etc. on the small town side. Evansville, Louisville metro, Cincy metro on the bigger scale.

So trying to base it on population or terrain is an exercise in futility. I'd just as soon leave it the way it is than do that.

I don't really care all that much when it comes to killing deer. The old 12 gauge 870 is all I need for that. I'd just like to hunt deer with my rifles.
Posted By: trapperDave

Re: someone is always looking to skirt the regulations..... - 11/03/2015 01:11 PM

Studies show rifles to be safer than slug guns. Bullets fragment on impact with anything, slugs bounce along the ground and thru the woods like cannon balls
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