Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Wife showed me where BW Wild Wings and TGIF Fridays announced they are "gun free". No legal firearms are allowed!
Both have FaceBook pages that are getting lit up by gun owners, let them know what you think.
Also if you hear of a business that doesn't support the constitution post it here. I wont spend a dollar there!
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Going to get worse. Thanks for the info Joe.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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If they see it they ask you to leave, if you don't it is trespass. If you should use it legally in the resteraunt again you violate property rights, you were notified it is illegal to carry a gun on "their" property.
I'll choose to spend my dollars at another business. I'm a sales person and spend thousands of dollars a year entertaining customers, none of my company dollars or my personal dollars will be spent in these business establishments.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Big issue in PA right now where a number of outdoor businesses are boycotting the Harrisburg, PA big sports show over the decision by the sports show to restrict sales of certain firearms.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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And if we all don't stand up against this abuse by our elected officials, we get what we deserve.
We got it just this past November......
Don't spend a single penny with the enemy!
As a salesman I spend thousands of dollars per year entertaining clients, none of my companies dollars or my personal dollars will be spent with these socialists.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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01/22/2013 02:07 PM
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Hey JB, BWW just did a deal with the NCAA! This is why these big companies simply don't care what gun owners think.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Originally posted by delaney: Hey JB, BWW just did a deal with the NCAA! This is why these big companies simply don't care what gun owners think. I would disagree. THey dont care if we are passive about it.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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01/23/2013 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by oldman1949: If you are really carrying conceled how would they know you had a gun ???? why hide it if you're legal?
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Originally posted by trapperDave: Originally posted by oldman1949: [b] If you are really carrying conceled how would they know you had a gun ???? why hide it if you're legal? [/b]Webster Dictionary : conceal: to place out of sight - hide Thought perhaps I didn't know what "concealed" ment so I looked it up .
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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01/23/2013 09:48 PM
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"If we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin Tell the restaurant manager that by carrying you're exercising your first amendment rights in support of your second amendment rights, then ask them why they don't believe in the Constitution... Need to get a bill in the legislature that would outlaw gun free zones in businesses, as with the proposed bill for college campuses. Carrying on Campus bill
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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there is no no stipulation that handguns be concealed. In Indiana, if you have a license to carry a handgun, its up to you whether you conceal it or carry openly or tape it to your forehead if you want. Indiana does not issue a concealed weapons permit, it issues a license to carry a handgun.
The only person that said anything about concealed was you. I merely pointed out why hide whats legal.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Bryan, I pretty much totally agree with you.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Originally posted by trapperDave: there is no no stipulation that handguns be concealed. In Indiana, if you have a license to carry a handgun, its up to you whether you conceal it or carry openly or tape it to your forehead if you want. Indiana does not issue a concealed weapons permit, it issues a license to carry a handgun.
The only person that said anything about concealed was you. I merely pointed out why hide whats legal. Really do not want to argu this . But I have to ask - do you practice open carry ? How many folks that you know practice open carry ? Maybe I'm liveing in a really different kind of place but I do not ever recall anyone (except law enforcement) walking into a public eating place with a gun in full view . My point was if they do not ask do not tell them . Odds are what they don't know will never hurt them .
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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to answer your question, sometimes. I dont worry about it being exposed. have seen several others like minded anywhere from walmart to fine restaurants.
theres an ongoing forum on the subject of where youve seen open carry on ingo
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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There are also places that will require you to conceal or leave ....there choice and yours!!!
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Originally posted by oldman1949: Originally posted by trapperDave: [b] there is no no stipulation that handguns be concealed. In Indiana, if you have a license to carry a handgun, its up to you whether you conceal it or carry openly or tape it to your forehead if you want. Indiana does not issue a concealed weapons permit, it issues a license to carry a handgun.
The only person that said anything about concealed was you. I merely pointed out why hide whats legal. Really do not want to argu this . But I have to ask - do you practice open carry ? How many folks that you know practice open carry ? Maybe I'm liveing in a really different kind of place but I do not ever recall anyone (except law enforcement) walking into a public eating place with a gun in full view . My point was if they do not ask do not tell them . Odds are what they don't know will never hurt them . [/b]Im about 50/50 in the summer time. Winter time I am just about 100% until I take my jacket off.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Bryan78 I just want to say that I am as pro-gun as they come but I am also pro-choice on how a company wants to run their business as well....
If Buffalo Wild Wings and TGI Friday's want to ban guns at their businesses that should be their choice weather or not we agree with it and should respect that.... I agree.....Respect it and decide whether or not you want to abide by it or go somewhere else.
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Originally posted by jjas: Bryan78 I just want to say that I am as pro-gun as they come but I am also pro-choice on how a company wants to run their business as well....
If Buffalo Wild Wings and TGI Friday's want to ban guns at their businesses that should be their choice weather or not we agree with it and should respect that.... I agree.....Respect it and decide whether or not you want to abide by it or go somewhere else. Just curious,If the same restaurants did not serve Christians would you have the same view? Maybe you would, but if not, I'm just saying some hold the second amendment as close as the first.
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Originally posted by Cody.Query: Originally posted by jjas: [b] Bryan78 I just want to say that I am as pro-gun as they come but I am also pro-choice on how a company wants to run their business as well....
If Buffalo Wild Wings and TGI Friday's want to ban guns at their businesses that should be their choice weather or not we agree with it and should respect that.... I agree.....Respect it and decide whether or not you want to abide by it or go somewhere else. Just curious,If the same restaurants did not serve Christians would you have the same view?
Maybe you would, but if not, I'm just saying some hold the second amendment as close as the first. [/b]No one is talking about not serving a certain person based on their beliefs. To do that, these companies would have to say they won't allow anyone who owns a firearm or is a supporter of the second amendment access. They didn't say that. They said they don't want firearms in their buildings. And while I may not agree with their position (and thus won't be spending my money there), I can respect it.
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Oldman, several times I've seen guys in Jim Dandy in Tipton who are not LEO's and do open carry. My 18 year old son, just back from Benning 11 Bravo, has an unlimited carry license, and has been doing open carry since he got back.
BTW, in response to a different comment, smoking is not protected by the US Constitution. The right to bear arms is...
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You are right. They aren't excluding us because of our beliefs. They are obstructing us of our rights. It is our right to bear arms as much as it is to practice our religious beliefs.
I don't recall the Constitution stating "each man has the right to believe in bearing arms and they may do so in public venues, they may also support the second amendment and enjoy their guns at home". It pretty clearly states we have a right to bear those arms.
IMO both examples would be excluding a person for abiding by their rights. Many liberals swear by our rights as long as they fit their agenda.
If you respect that then so be it. The way things look with this nation, you are in the majority....Congrats!
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Re: Gun free zone Resteraunts
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Posted by JKD BTW, in response to a different comment, smoking is not protected by the US Constitution. The right to bear arms is... Posted by Cody.Query You are right. They aren't excluding us because of our beliefs. They are obstructing us of our rights. It is our right to bear arms as much as it is to practice our religious beliefs.
I don't recall the Constitution stating "each man has the right to believe in bearing arms and they may do so in public venues, they may also support the second amendment and enjoy their guns at home". It pretty clearly states we have a right to bear those arms.
IMO both examples would be excluding a person for abiding by their rights. Many liberals swear by our rights as long as they fit their agenda.
If you respect that then so be it. The way things look with this nation, you are in the majority....Congrats! Well smoking may not specifically be listed in the Constitution they are still a legal product so I believe it to fall under the First Amendment for Freedom of Expression.... That is why I don't support smoking bans... We have to accept the fact that the Constitution goes both ways here or we are no better then the anti-gun/anti-carry crowd.... My dad use to be a trustee at a Eagles lodge and they have a no weapons allowed policy and one time told a guy not to bring his holster in even though he left his gun in his truck... Why you may ask.... Because he was drinking beer while he had a gun and my dad felt that was setting a bad example for those of us who carry.... My dad is huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment but he didn't like them/nor want them in the bar and everyone supported the choice of the lodge to run their business and never complained. So guys, people have the right to be anti-gun/anti-carry just as we have the right be pro-gun/pro-carry... That is how the Constitution works....
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Originally posted by Cody.Query: You are right. They aren't excluding us because of our beliefs. They are obstructing us of our rights. It is our right to bear arms as much as it is to practice our religious beliefs.
I don't recall the Constitution stating "each man has the right to believe in bearing arms and they may do so in public venues, they may also support the second amendment and enjoy their guns at home". It pretty clearly states we have a right to bear those arms.
IMO both examples would be excluding a person for abiding by their rights. Many liberals swear by our rights as long as they fit their agenda.
If you respect that then so be it. The way things look with this nation, you are in the majority....Congrats! If you feel so strongly about this, why not find an attorney and see if there are grounds to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of gun owners against the two restaurants in question? As for me, I'll do what I always do in situations where I don't agree with a companies position or policies.....I spend my money elsewhere.
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You guys do realize that private property rights trumps your BOR....right?
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You're right, the mall owner and the store owners dictate what you can do in their stores.
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To the contrary, read the article, Supreme Court has ruled in some circumstances that mall based businesses cannot prevent exercise of 1st amendment rights, hence your earlier statement about the BOR not applying would be incorrect.
By that logic, the 2nd amendment rights would potentially apply as well...
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Well, have I got a deal for you. I had a meeting with IMPD, IMPD's attorney and a prosecuting attorney for Marion county last year that would disagree with your opinion.
Heres where it gets good for you....wait for it.
Go down to Circle center Mall and open carry a gun. When you refuse to leave, they will call the police(if they had not when you were first spotted). Then when IMPD gets there, refuse to leave....get arrested...take it to court and tell the judge your opinion and get it thrown out...then sue for your rights violation.
Pay check to you.
You might even get a new case law named after you.
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